NEW BadCat Bobcat NAMM 2012

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  1. dzeitlin

    dzeitlin Member

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    this is a 5 watt (1 6v6), 29 lbd 1x12 combo. it has another new badcat product called the "unleash" built in. the unleash is basically a reverse attenuator. to activate this option, you need to connect an external cabinet, but once you do, there is a control on the amp called "unleash" that allows you to dial anywhere up to 100 watts. it sounds amazing, and retains a nice gain (if you want it) even at the max wattages. very warm sounding. This was the best thing i saw at namm this year. it sounds really sweet at 5 watts too. i spoke to the guys at the booth, and they said matt's music will be getting them. they sell the unleash seperately also, so you can turn any low wattage amp into a giggable moster.

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  2. supersonic1414

    supersonic1414 Silver Supporting Member

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    Cool idea and I love Bad Cat/Matchless, etc.....but for some reason this does not excite me at all
     
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    Sounds really cool... I'd really like to try one out and see how it works.
     
  4. digiTED

    digiTED rock > talk

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    Class A/D...it's kinda like running your line-out to an EHX 44 Magnum right? Cool to have it built in.

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    Sounds sweet! but I'm confused.... How do you get 100 watts out of a 5 watt amp using an eternal speaker cab without adding more power amp tubes?
     
  6. dividedsky

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    I'd like to see this exact same amp except without the "Unleash" function. Maybe a Master Volume in its place. Nothing like that exists from them right?
     
  7. Tonesmiths

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    With a click the Unleash was completely out of the circuit. I played though this amp today and was pleasantly surprised. It uses a 6SN7 octal preamp tube into a single ended 6V6 (kinda like the At Mars Specialist). Owner John Thompson was explaining the painstaking process they went through to develop an internal solid state class D post-amplifier that maintains the integrity of a tube amps original tone. And it does. He let me crank it up and it was consistent at any volume level. Like the stand alone unit, the amp employs the Unleash between the output and the speaker. So you get every nuance of the true class A handwired tube driven circuit, only at any volume. This feature also allowed me to turn up the input to higher gain levels and then adjust the Unleash to achieve that tone at any volume from 5-100w. It was more natural sounding than any of the power scaled or PPMV amps I've owned. And the best part is it's expected to retail for a mere $1,400.
     
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    Pretty cool. Not so much a grab and go since you'd have to carry an extra cab for the Class D portion of the amp to work correctly. Still though...it's innovative and seemingly at a great price point.
     
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    You don't need a second cab to engage the class d. It sits between the tube power amp output and the speaker. You can shut off the class d and just use the pure hand- wired amp with a switch.
    You can also just get the unleash stand alone and use your own amp either to boost up a smaller amp allowing for more clean headroom. Lets say a princeton with a Les Paul or use it in the bypass /engaged mode so the unleash can be a solo boost for larger high gain amps.
    Very exciting stuff and shipping soon.
    John
     
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    That's pretty cool. How does the tone differ from the 5w Mini II?
     
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    John, I think what he's referring to is the need for a cab with a more powerful speaker. Of course this can be remedied by equipping your combo with a more powerful speaker that sounds great at any volume.
     
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    This seems great to me. Get one of these and become the king of small tube amps...never worry again about headroom on your tweed deluxe or ac15.
     
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    if this actually works it will be awesome. 100W matchless spirtfire? yes please.
     
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    didnt sound too good in that video to me...

    i dig the angled front/faceplate though!
     
  16. Rod

    Rod Tone is Paramount Silver Supporting Member

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    Now that's a cool idea. Those videos from trade shows always suck for tone. Go try one
     
  17. dzeitlin

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    i heard this amp in person, and the video definately doesn't do it justice. check them out in person.
     
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    class D SS power amp - meh
     
  19. Tonesmiths

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    That's what I thought. But, they really worked to develop a transparent one. I like this product because stepping up my amp through a transparent class D amp designed for guitar through my cabs loudspeaker seems like a much better option than plugging into a board, a less discreet amp, and PA speakers/monitors to achieve the same thing.
     
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    That is a cool idea. Any idea if the input of the standalone Unleash has any wattage limits to it? Like could it handle a 20-35 watt amp going into it? Or turn a 100 watt Marshall into a 10,000 watt monster!!--the end of the world. Just joking, it is just kind of reamping.
     

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