Newbie 18 watt build question

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  1. grizdeluxe

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    I'm just starting my Triode Electronics 18 watt TMB build. I noticed that all of the wire they sent was cloth push back solid core. Is this acceptable or would I benefit from an upgrade of any kind? TIA
     
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    Acceptable for a home build,but teflon wire is better for beginners cause it is really hard to burn through and believe me,beginners burn lots of wires!
    The cloth stuff is good if you don't fray the ends too much.
     
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    Cloth is "vintage correct".. but I personally hate it!

    I would argue teflon is "better for everyone", as long as you have a good wire stripper (don't try to use plain cutters - trust me on this!)
     
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    Get automatic wire strippers.
    BEST money I've ever spent...except maybe a good soldering station.
    Not all cloth covered is push-back.
    I actually collect old wire...the cloth covered with an internal shield is my favorite.
     
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    Marshall never used cloth wire,only Fender and other American amps.The 18 watt never used cloth.
    All cloth wire is not created equal!!!! The Mojotone and generic stuff is rather crappy as it frays easily.The stuff Traynor used to use is super heavy duty.
     
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    Hard to burn through cloth wire. I actually like cloth over everything else, but it is all personal preference in a DIY build.
     
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    ok,but what kind do you use?I hate the Mojotone stuff.I had some a few yesrs back that was stellar good but I can't remember where to get it anymore.
     
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    I'll stick with the cloth. I had my Matco dealer FIL hook me up with a nice Weller station and auto strippers. I've been self-employed the last 20 years of my life so I'm just taking this build like I would approach any job I work on. Take my time and make sure its right the first time. That's the plan anyway. :) Thanks again.
     
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    I've never seen teflon jacketed wire with cloth over top.Teflon is hard to strip even with good strippers like yours.If it's easy it isn't teflon jacket.
    I have two different high-end automatic strippers and they still have trouble stripping teflon wire.I have to squeeze them to get the cutters to actually cut the teflon.
     
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    I went back to the Watts Audio website and looked at the stuff I've been using. It's called "Modern insulation" with lacquered cotton braid. If it's not teflon, I'm not too worried about it. It's nice stuff to work with.
     
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    We tried the Mojo stuff and found it was pretty poor quality. Ended up finding the original wire supplier to Fender when we were resurrecting the White Higher Fidelity amp. They are still in business. Have been for 80 years. Its identical to the stuff Fender used.
     
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    Care to share that suppliers name?
     
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    Doug Hoffman sells good quality Cloth, Push-Back wire.
    Mojo should be shot if they are still selling that "Cloth" covered wire.
    Best
     
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    Hoffman is great for the home builder,but I want huge quantities and I can't see where his wire is any different from Mojo's.

    I stand corrected: Hoffamn has the GOOd cloth wire at very reasonable prices.
     
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    Yeah the Hoffman wire looks much more robust than the stuff i have. It seems to cut clean with my wire strippers so i'm using it. Next project I'll use better wire.
     

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