Newer Epiphone Casinos

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  1. Kmaz

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    Does anyone here have info on the quality of electronics in the latest MIC Casinos? I have heard that Epiphone has made improvements through the years but I don't know for certain? It's tricky to see, but the pots appear to be full size in my 2014 version.

    I'd be happy to learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of this guitar and components used.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Bucksears

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    I'd just like to know if/when Epi is going to give the Casino the PRO moniker.
    Or if that would cut into the Elitist sales.
     
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    I think it's their new pickups. They have PRO buckers, etc.

    The new casinos seem like cool guitars to me.
     
  4. Kmaz

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    I got a reply from Gibson/Epiphone Customer Service saying that the pots in my Casino are indeed 500K.

    This is what is often recommended for this guitar?
     
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    If they have humbuckers or P-90's then 500k is the best pot for them. A 250k would sound like it was under a stack of wet blankets. I've oops'd and done that by mistake myself.
     
  6. Kmaz

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    Thanks wwit, now I'm curious about the quality of these 500K pots in my MIC Casino? :)
     
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    Timely thread....I think I'm going to go look at a Casino this afternoon...
    Cool guitars.
     
  8. omfg51

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    I recently bought one, and I've done some upgrading. The electronics were fairly muddy, not too bad, if you're looking for a jazz guitar, this could definitely fit the bill, but for me a pickup swap and rewire were necessary.

    The 500k pots were in the volume positions, but the tone pots were still 250k, and the pickups measured at 12.4k in resistance for both neck and bridge. Those were far too hot for me in both positions. My new pickups are both about 7.5k in resistance, much cleaner and clearer, and I've got CTS 500k audio taper pots with Sprague orange drop caps.

    As far as build quality goes, the tuners are ok, nothing special, I plan to swap them for some Kluson KBWs. The issue I've been running into with several models is fret consistency. I had purchased a Casino not too long ago, and had to return it due to it having a tall fret that caused severe buzz on the 8th fret and fretting out with bends.

    I returned the first one, and the one I have now is the one I plan to keep, and although it isn't anywhere near as bad as the previous, it's still in need of fret leveling to be able to set up perfectly. The guitar now is somewhat buzzy, but very tolerable, and none of the buzz comes through the amp.

    That all being said, I got a ridiculously screaming deal on this guitar brand new, and so with the new electronics and how good it sounds, I can swallow the fact that it still needs fret work.

    For anyone considering buying one of these, keep your ears open and eyes peeled for any issues like these, and start a list of potential necessary upgrades in the back of your mind. It's got potential to be a very cool guitar.
     
  9. wwit

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    Most everything coming out of Epiphone for the past handful of year has been coming with basic full size(@ 1" across) pots. Vs. the old style mini pots. If the full size, there okay. Not bad. I doubt I'd replace just those right away as long as they aren't noisy, if it were mine. Unless they act of more of an on/off switch rather then rolling off the volume or tone like you want them too. It just an on/off happening, then replacement might be a good move.
     
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    Pot size is only one of the considerations, and even pot value doesn't tell the whole story.

    On the two Epiphones I've recently purchased (an ES-335 Pro and a LP Std PlusTop Pro), they've used 500K linear pots for volume, and 500K audio for tone. I prefer 500K audio for both volume and tone. Also, they use Alpha pots, which are good but not great quality for guitar. I prefer CTS. But thats just me. Also, I am not a big fan of the push pull thing, but that wouldn't apply to Casino since it has P90's.

    Note, if changing from Alpha pots to CTS pots, you generally have to ream the holes in the body a bit since the Alpha pots have 5/16" bushings and the CTS pots have 3/8" bushings.
     
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    Every factory stock standard production Epi that I've had my hands on, excluding the John Lennon and John Lee Hooker models (but including the Elite and Elitist line) should have a re-wire and (real) CTS pots and Switchcraft switches put in. Sure they have had part supplier changes over the years, but the quality really hasn't gotten better. Their wiring has been the (miniature) shielded type where they use the shield for the ground line. If anyone is considering dropping in Lollars, Fralins, etc. for better tone, they should seriously consider ripping that wire out and wire the guitar up with "proper" wire and ground lines. Believe it or not, the resistance and capacitance difference, though small, makes a difference. Don't forget to get rid of the "chicklet" capacitor if your guitar has one. Orange Drop, Mallory, Oil Filled or Bumblebee types are so much better...
     
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    So one might be better off to upgrade the wiring and leave the stock pickups or could they be much better as well?
     
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    The pickups could be better as well. Some may like them or find them acceptable. It comes down to personal preference. IMHO, they sound more compressed in comparison to something like a (real) Gibson version, Lollar, etc.

    My point in my post is that even the wiring, pots, jacks and caps are a weak link that's often overlooked by focusing on the pickups. Me, I recommend a complete change out with quality stuff. You pick the pots, caps, wire and pickups of your choice. Stick with Switchcraft toggles and jacks.
     
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    I like 250k with p90s... but they have all been in strats or teles... P90's aren't muddy on the bottom like humbuckers...
     

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