NGD: 1975 Ibanez "Destroyer"

smilefan

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Made from late '75 thru early '78, by Ibanez, before Gibson filed suit against the parent company,
Hoshino Corporation. This is a close copy (apparently too close for Gibson's taste) of a '58 Explorer,
with the exception that Japanese "Sen" Ash, a highly figured wood, was used in place of African Korina wood.
From playing this, I can say the tone of this wood is somewhere in the range between Alder and Korina.
I like it better than mahogany Gibson Explorers, sonically. Its got a more high-mid centered tone.

Besides being a true "Lawsuit" guitar, these guitars were put 'on the map' by none other than EVH.
As I understand it, Eddie's Destroyer was used for all the rhythm tracks on albums I & II.

Currently loaded with a Duncan '59'er in the neck and a vintage Bill Lawrence XL500 in the bridge.
I am considering setting this up, cosmetically, like a '58 Explorer, with all gold hardware. The original
tuners suck. The soft zinc bridge and stop tail, suck. Any suggestions for upgrades? I'd like not to have
to drill new holes in that virgin headstock, for machine head stabilizer screws. Not sure about the
existing pups, yet. The original "Super 70" pups are long gone.

edit 05/24/22 - apparently this is a '75, not a '76 (hand written serial no. in the control cavity ID's it as from the 1st production run of Destroyers!)

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gutshank

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Man, that is HAWT! Enjoy your HNGD!
How are these tuners held in place? I can't see any screws, are these similar to Fender pin-style tuners?

Edit:
Ok, I'll answer my own question. These are Gotoh tuners:
They have a small pin which fits into an index hole on the back of the headstock. These are different from the 2-pin ones used by Fender. Unfortunately, I know no alternatives.
 
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smilefan

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Man, that is HAWT! Enjoy your HNGD!
How are these tuners held in place? I can't see any screws, are these similar to Fender pin-style tuners?

Edit:
Ok, I'll answer my own question. These are Gotoh tuners:
They have a small pin which fits into an index hole on the back of the headstock. These are different from the 2-pin ones used by Fender. Unfortunately, I know no alternatives.
Thanks for the info on those tuners. Searching for a modern, high ratio tuner replacement for them, such that I don't have to drill any holes for stabilizing screws.
 

gutshank

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Thanks for the info on those tuners. Searching for a modern, high ratio tuner replacement for them, such that I don't have to drill any holes for stabilizing screws.
I'm afraid it may prove to be a fool's errand. The only modern tuners with indexing pins I am aware of are those used by Fender (and FMIC companies, e.g. Charvel), but these are 2-pin tuners. The tuners with a single indexing pin in the center may no longer be manufactured.

Even GraphTech mounting plates are unavailable in that format.
 

stien

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Made from late '75 thru early '78, by Ibanez, before Gibson filed suit against the parent company,
Hoshino Corporation. This is a close copy (apparently too close for Gibson's taste) of a '58 Explorer,
with the exception that Japanese "Sen" Ash, a highly figured wood, was used in place of African Korina wood.
From playing this, I can say the tone of this wood is somewhere in the range between Alder and Korina.
I like it better than mahogany Gibson Explorers, sonically. Its got a more high-mid centered tone.

Besides being a true "Lawsuit" guitar, these guitars were put 'on the map' by none other than EVH.
As I understand it, Eddie's Destroyer was used for all the rhythm tracks on albums I & II.

Currently loaded with a Duncan '59'er in the neck and a vintage Bill Lawrence XL500 in the bridge.
I am considering setting this up, cosmetically, like a '58 Explorer, with all gold hardware. The original
tuners suck. The soft zinc bridge and stop tail, suck. Any suggestions for upgrades? I'd like not to have
to drill new holes in that virgin headstock, for machine head stabilizer screws. Not sure about the
existing pups, yet. The original "Super 70" pups are long gone.

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Man that’s cool.

Why not try the hipshot UMP? Doesn’t require screwing in as long as the shaft diameters match.
 

wraub

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Truly wonderful guitar, enjoy. :)
If mine, I'd also upgrade everything and save the replaced parts carefully.

As for tuners, the first thing that comes to mind would be something like the old Grover reversible tuners, with the Star Back. I have a set like this on a 70s MIJ Strat copy, and they're excellent imo.

They look like this-
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They're not super commonly seen, but can still be found. Maybe a newer alternative is available.
 

C-4

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Made from late '75 thru early '78, by Ibanez, before Gibson filed suit against the parent company,
Hoshino Corporation. This is a close copy (apparently too close for Gibson's taste) of a '58 Explorer,
with the exception that Japanese "Sen" Ash, a highly figured wood, was used in place of African Korina wood.
From playing this, I can say the tone of this wood is somewhere in the range between Alder and Korina.
I like it better than mahogany Gibson Explorers, sonically. Its got a more high-mid centered tone.

Besides being a true "Lawsuit" guitar, these guitars were put 'on the map' by none other than EVH.
As I understand it, Eddie's Destroyer was used for all the rhythm tracks on albums I & II.

Currently loaded with a Duncan '59'er in the neck and a vintage Bill Lawrence XL500 in the bridge.
I am considering setting this up, cosmetically, like a '58 Explorer, with all gold hardware. The original
tuners suck. The soft zinc bridge and stop tail, suck. Any suggestions for upgrades? I'd like not to have
to drill new holes in that virgin headstock, for machine head stabilizer screws. Not sure about the
existing pups, yet. The original "Super 70" pups are long gone.

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Nice piece! I bought one when they first came out.
 




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