Discussion in 'Announcements To The Membership' started by Brian Scherzer, Nov 14, 2012.
That's just like your opinion man. (said in best Lebowski tone)
Hey, Tom Connecticut, what's that bad ass cat got on his head?
Never could figure it out-always wondered.
He looks pissed.
Every time I see one of your posts, I see Mr. Lundegaard smudging VINs on auto invoices, or one of a dozen other priceless Fargo moments.
Cottonmike: Those are baby mice hanging onto that ol' cat's head. I can't imagine the shame.
Edit: Wow - I'm really sorry for this off-topic BS. Bad form on my part.
I think this is a good move regardless of any connection with porn sites. The atmosphere generated by threads like the bikini one is like a men's locker room and would, I imagine, keep any women guitarists from contributing to or wanting to be a part of the forum. When I first joined the forum, I was amazed that such thread should be allowed.
How do all the other forums handle bikini threads with no issue?
The people who run those forums don't care that people can't access them from work. That's the difference, and that's why this is the best guitar-centric music gear related forum in the universe.
That deserves another Bikini picture. This is it though, no more...
You nuked the bikini thread!
Now that's funny, right there!
I see what you did there ...
(obscure name of nuke test reference)
I work in "Corp IT", and more specifically, network security. I deal with viruses and crap from people surfing "dubious" sites every damn day. I deal with managers wondering why their employee was unbillable for several hours today because their PC was being rebuilt yet again because they caught their 3rd virus in 2 weeks. More so, I deal with HR requesting how much time said employee is spending on the internet (instead of working) and having to provide internet proxy logs to said HR representatives. People who want to screw around at work are going to do so. It's my job to protect the company as much as possible--within the constraints my company puts on me from a budgetary, policy and staffing respect, of course.
What is obviously lost on some people in this thread is that some companies (namely those in the financial and pharmaceutical industries) have VERY strict adherence to regulations and a need to ensure absolute control over the data that passes through their systems.
What would be the repercussions if the data for that new prostate cancer drug you were waiting on was inadvertently falsfied because an excel macro virus shifted the Serious Adverse Events data by a decimal place and it was deemed safe instead of deadly?
How would you feel if you called your bank to get a line of credit and the phone representative's computer was infected with a key logger and backdoor trojan which then transmitted all of your financial information--SSN, account numbers, mother's maiden name--everything--to the Russian Mafia?
Products like Websense are designed to keep those scenarios from happening. They are a necessary evil due to the world we live in and those who prey on the stupidity and carelessness that abounds in our society. Websense doesn't care if TGP isn't really a porn site. Websense doesn't care that these threads are bikinis and not actually naked chicks. The point is that there are (well, were) images on this site that are directly linked to/from porn sites. There is no grey area here.
And like it or not, any employer that has its act together has both an "acceptable use policy" and IS monitoring what you're doing on the internet connection and computers that THEY pay for. They might not necessarily be looking through the logs, but I can almost guarantee you they can if they want to.
I applaud the mods for taking this position and making this difficult decision. This isn't a matter of free speech--it's a matter of CYA and keeping TGP from being classified as something that it's not.
Best post in the thread............END OF THREAD
Fwiw I could care less about bikini threads.
The problem is third party "filtering" companies like Websense aren't accurately doing their job.
And due to their inaccuracies they create "false positives".
Even the courts state this to be true.
Therefore filtering companies like Websense (while maybe having honorable intentions - who knows, maybe they do maybe they don't) are creating censorship.
Due to Websense's false portrayal of /labeling of TGP censorship is what has happened here.
Bolding is mine
"PHILADELPHIA--In yet another blow to ....... repeated attempts to censor the Internet, a federal court today decisively rejected a law.....
A three-judge panel of the U.S. District Court here agreed with arguments ........ that blocking programs cannot effectively screen out.... "
The court called the software a ""blunt instrument,""
""The court today barred the ..... thought police armed with clumsy blocking programs,""
""The court found that these programs are inherently flawed...."
"...... The law defines such measures as ""a specific technology that blocks or filters Internet access"" such as
the commercially available blocking programs N2H2, Cyber Patrol, Websense and Smartfilter.
Based on nine days of testimony from ..... patrons, web publishers and experts,
the court supported its ruling with over 100 pages of detailed findings of fact,
which established that:
""at least tens of thousands"" of web pages are wrongly blocked by the programs,
including web sites for the Knights of Columbus, a Christian orphanage in Honduras and several political candidates. "
Many here don't seem to get it.
The issue is deeper than bikini threads.
In fact deep down it really has NOTHING to do with Bikini threads.
Again I could careless about bikini threads.
If the mods want to not allow them fine.
But don't do it because a company produces flawed web filtering software which is labeling TGP to be something it is not.
But unfortunately this is exactly why "bikini threads" are no longer allowed and have been censored.
I don't understand how you can construe direct links from TGP to images hosted on known porn sites as a false positive. That's as valid a positive as you can get, outside of serving up porn yourself.
If anything, I would contend that Websense is doing its job too well, at least with respect to TGP.
FWIW, what the courts have to say about censorship has zero jurisdiction here in what amounts to a private forum. The mods can do whatever they want and you don't have to like it. Thankfully they let most things slide.
Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.
While you may be right about false positives, you have to remember that Internet security is fluid and changes daily. It's spy vs. spy and it never ends. People use tools like Websense and spam block lists because even if they block a few legitimate sites, the bulk of the sites they block are nefarious or spammers, etc.
If you're trying to protect your company for whatever reason, it's better to err on the side of caution. If a legitimate site gets blocked erroneously, you can take steps to mitigate that and allow the site. The worst that happens is someone needs to resend an email, or an employee has to get the information elsewhere. If a nefarious site is allowed, and your network incurs a virus or worse, the damage is already done.
I'm glad they're gone. Talk about blue balls...those threads created them!
For those who can't live without it, I just did a search for an EQD Talons, and the bikini thread is on page one of that search.
this will free up the gents toilets at work.thanks