We need to get back to the basics here. Some of the fattest and sweetest tone ever have came from the early 50's-60's era amps with octal preamp tubes.. including my gibson ga20 and ampeg jet. What is the deal here? Are my ears that bad yet? Or is it just the fact that octals are more expensive to make.....but I guess it's the American way. Pay more....get less. What a shame!