Discussion in 'The Sound Hound Lounge' started by Lucidology, Oct 26, 2018.
Never could get into Phish. They always seemed like a Grateful Dead tribute band.(and I don't like the GD..., sorry)
However, I dug Trey's playing on the Oysterhead album!
There are times since about 1997 where I could see someone saying they sound like the Grateful Dead (though not often). But they didn’t sound like them at all in their first 10-15 years. The scene was similar as they started to get bigger, but not the music. I heard people back them dismiss them as a poor man’s Zappa and I think that’s a much more accurate critique.
It's not his hair ... that much I know.
It’s the omega 3
Having a few friends who are rabid Dead and Phish fans I've listened to my fair share and while Trey is obviously talented it's just is not my thing...
Because he's great....
Musically they are nothing like the Grateful Dead.
I like his solo stuff best. I thought he did a decent job on the Fare Thee Well shows and I think he's an excellent guitarist. Phish just doesn't move me. Maybe I'm just not their target audience, but I started going to Dead shows in 1969.
Agreed, and I saw them a few times in the late 80s. Their clearest early influence was Zappa.
You could be right!
I much prefer Kimock for jams.
Phish is not for everyone. In particular it seems to me that older Deadheads tend not to relate to the apparent goofiness of some of their songs. You have to consider the time when Trey wrote most of that weird, progressive material...they were a nerdy bar band in Vermont, being creative, with absolutely no concept of how big they would eventually get. But it's nerdy, oddball stuff, at times very intense and dissonant, at times intentionally stupid, full of sarcasm and inside jokes. Not for everyone. And yeah, a lot of their new material is pretty weak...I understand they are not the same guys they were in 1990, but yeesh...
And on the improv side, Trey may be inconsistent and he may not play with the fluid chops that he used to. But when he shines, when he and the band are firing on all cylinders, no other band can touch them. They tap into the flow like very few bands can. IMHO of course, but that's mainly what it is for me.
As is often mentioned, if you're Phish-curious, look up clips from Clifford Ball. Peak Phish/Trey in action.
well he's no Troy, that's for sure
“Hi, my name is Troy McClure. You may remember me from such songs as I Enjoy Yourself and Plushhead.”
Thank f**k for that. The world doesn't need another Dead sound-alike band.
I love Trey's improvisational chops and his attitude towards his gear. He orchestrates Phish's stage setups in one of the most impressive ways I've seen. It's one of the only onstage rigs that comes close to the Dead in the Wall of Sound era, IMO. Their songs are goofy, yeah, but so are Primus's.
I'd also like to mention that they still put on damned good shows. When they've been at it for two decades, of course they're going to run out of ideas. That doesn't change the fact that their concerts are spectacles.
I love everything about Phish...until Trey starts doing the half taking, half singing thing. It's just not very good. Killer player, through.