so im returning to the land of tone and effect tweaking after many years away, which brought me to TGP a couple of weeks ago. i'd like to thank everyone for their expertise and experience -- i've learned an awful lot in a very short time. i started off my effects reacquaintance last year with a digital multifx unit (RP250, please dont laugh), which was Ok as a base point but i quickly became aware of its shortcomings and limitations re tone, headroom, etc. Been planning and researching how to replace it for some time, and hence the following setup. i understand some of the basics of pedal order, etc, but theres some subtleties that im discovering ive yet to delve into or experience, so id like to run the following planned set up by the group, see if theres anything im missing or havent considered... some items i already have and use, some ive researched and am planning on getting, some are already here but not tried out yet! am running either a Vigier Surfreter or another custom fretless (w/p-rails) into a stereo rig of two 5w blackheart combos, retubed. tuning is extended, from low C to hi F on top. Need stuff in general that can handle the low end. style is hard to describe -- a lot of free jazz/free improv, but heavily East Indian rooted, and a lot of classic rock/funk elements as well. Think White Stripes + Bill Frisell+Ornette Coleman jamming on a Kolkata rooftop. guitars into this projected order: RMC1 -- thought of a WOF but found a good deal with a used RMC1, circa 2007 build. i like the dark smoothness from the sound samples, and though RMC1 generally advised against humbuckers, i tend to use wah mainly in single coil or p90 mode on the custom fretless or in the 2 and 4 positions on the vigier wiring. If the RMC1 doesnt work, ill flip it or trade for a WOF. compressor -- thinking of the new seymour duncan or a Barber Tone Press. the blend factor is critical as i want to keep the attack as natural as possible (generally hate what compressors do the attack), just need good transparent sustain to help with the fretless' inherent sustain issues. micro pog -- need one of these! main project is guitar/ drum duo, need something to help fill out the sound. pitch shifting /harmonizing on the multifx was horribly out of tune. some EH users on their forum like to use this early in the chain to improve tracking stability. any thoughts? before or after wah, before or after compressor? voodoo labs micro vibe -- have it around from when i used to do pedals, may still have a use for it. keeping it and will try it in the whole rig for now various dirt -- i know its not boutique, but i do love my seymour duncan twin tube classic -- so much so that i bought another one from the emporium listing a couple of days ago when mine died ( will send the defunct one to be fixed and keep as a spare). That said, i 'm wondering if i need some different shades on the dirt category: the tube screamer modeler in the multifx was interesting -- was my first experience with a TS kind of character and i understand now about the mid hump - but rather thin in the modeler. might add a better all around TS808 type unit, doesnt have to be boutique. a big muff is definitely a sound i want to add ! will probably go with wicker or LBM. i also may need something just a hair beyond clean boost ; the TTC rhythm side might can work in this mode, however the TTC has a fairly muscular character that i love and may not work for what im hearing in this particular app, which needs something a tad less drivey with a bit more sparkle and transparency. A Tim would be nice, but seems a bit pricey for a tone that while specific and necessary, i may not need much. Might go with the danelectro TOD for bang for buck,but am wrestling with the ethical issues re its design vs. Tim. Also considering one of the Barbers for this app but really dont know which model would be best. questions for those with far more OD experience than I: anything in the above dirt options that im duplicating or wouldnt need ? best way to stack those? anything you see in the above that could cover more than one of the options? i.e., would the right unit cover both TS territory and light hairy boost? modulation -- set here -- have a nice non warbly chorus in the boss DC3. delay/verb/other my needs for these are pretty simple at the moment -- some basic subtle verbs and light ambient ping pong delays for now, thats it. I will probably add my Boss SE50 1/2 rack unit to the board to handle these basic delay and verb duties. It will make the board big though, dont know how travel worthy or stable it is but OTOH i cant quite see dropping 300 for a set of digitech Hardwire delay/verb pedals if my apps are so simple. Im open to some alternatives to cover these basics if theres something out there im not aware of. If i get into delay as a serious tool, the SMM w/Hazarai will be the one -- seesm like it gets into some pretty experimental territory, which certainly suits what we do. am toying with the whammy to bend harmonics with (the rp250 actually has whammy functionaility, may keep it just for that) as well as a simple looper -- catch a bass riff or even just a note from the whammy or micro pog, loop it or 'one shot' it as needed. finally -- need a tuner; need good suggestions on powering this all up. also, if you see any pitfalls re impedance, buffer, bypass issues in the above proposed layout, please let me know. i know this was long, but i thank you all in advance for your collective wisdom and ideas!