Orange Amplification Owners Thread

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I just pulled out my 2 Orange rigs, setting up to go right through this weekend...all tube amps, CS50 and OR100, let’s see how I like them after not playing them in a while...gonna use a Flying V guitar,

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As Wayne Campbell might have said: “Dude that rig is intensity in 10 cities, live at budoken!!! “
 

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I just received my first Orange:
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Late last year I tried a RV 50 Mk 2 out in a studio session on recommendation from the engineer... I've never played or can tell you who played an Orange before that moment as I'm primarily a pedalsteel guitarist playing traditional country music... so yeah typically not a genre of live/studio music you'll see an Orange occupying backline

What I heard that day when I plugged my Tele in was incredible & that really stuck with me, fast forward half a year later and I bit the bullet opened my wallet, bought a bunch of gear with RV 100 at the top of the list.

What a great sounding amp.
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I have had my first Orange Amp for about six months. I have "wanted" one since the 70s. Great amps, even the modern versions.
 

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I just received my first Orange:
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Late last year I tried a RV 50 Mk 2 out in a studio session on recommendation from the engineer... I've never played or can tell you who played an Orange before that moment as I'm primarily a pedalsteel guitarist playing traditional country music... so yeah typically not a genre of live/studio music you'll see an Orange occupying backline

What I heard that day when I plugged my Tele in was incredible & that really stuck with me, fast forward half a year later and I bit the bullet opened my wallet, bought a bunch of gear with RV 100 at the top of the list.

What a great sounding amp.
:dude
what are you talking about? Orange is the voice of country! :D
 

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Missed this thread somehow.

I've had a love affair with Orange for the last few years. The biggest surprise is the Crush Mini with a 12V power supply, ran into a good cab. It's actually loud enough to play with drums and bass, if your band-mates aren't just crazy.

I'd love more Orange cabs, and to let the 410 go...just don't dig it as much. I want the PPC412HP with the G12K100s and the vertical 212. As for their other amps, I'd most like a Dual Terror. They're just killer.

All that said, the OR50 is my holy grail. That amp is SO good I just can't even think of letting it go.
 
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AxeVictim52

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what are you talking about? Orange is the voice of country! :D

to be fair, that tele tone isn't really 'clean' ;) It certainly works though.

I'm aware that speakers are a very subjective thing, but am i the only person who thinks orange's obsession with V30s is kinda doing them a bit of a disservice? They use V30s in everything, and it's only now I've swapped out the V30 in my PPC112 for a G12H creamback that I'm starting to really LOVE Orange amps. (I only own a TH30, but I suspect there will be more in future!).

I almost wonder if the V30 loaded cabs were actually the reason behind all my gripes with the AD30 which made me avoid Orange for almost a decade.
 

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I’ve owned this fine Rocker30 head for years. It’s always been one of my favorite live gig amps. The clean channel makes a great pedal platform and the dirty channel rocks hard.



I had it up for sale during a gear purge earlier this year but took it down after a week or two. I decided I loved the amp more than the cash it would generate. Too good to let go. Used it again last weekend and enjoyed it. A nice change of pace from the Fenders and Marshall’s that dominate my stable.

 

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to be fair, that tele tone isn't really 'clean' ;) It certainly works though.

I'm aware that speakers are a very subjective thing, but am i the only person who thinks orange's obsession with V30s is kinda doing them a bit of a disservice? They use V30s in everything, and it's only now I've swapped out the V30 in my PPC112 for a G12H creamback that I'm starting to really LOVE Orange amps. (I only own a TH30, but I suspect there will be more in future!).

I almost wonder if the V30 loaded cabs were actually the reason behind all my gripes with the AD30 which made me avoid Orange for almost a decade.
on one hand, there's a tonal consistency there: you're getting the orange sound, in small, medium or large. And that means even a 212 can handle their biggest amps. And aside from Marshall, I don't think most of the big can guys offer that much speaker variation- Mesa, evh, diezel, engl, etc. Maybe a couple speakers, at best.

On the other hand, yeah. Judicious ir use tells me that a litany of speakers would sound awesome with oranges.

I see they've finally addressed this with the vertical 212 having neo cream backs, I think, but that's likely a weight thing more than a tone thing. And the tremlord uses different speakers, but that might be 10"s? And they are custom made for orange, which I guess we can interpret as cheap.

Or if you go back in time, you can look for one of those super jumbo 414 hp cabs they made to handle the 200 watt thunderverb, which had k100s in it.
 

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My experience with Orange was a severely hard lesson in "you have to buy the one you played" because if you don't, you'll expect the unit you own to sound like the unit you demoed and no two units of the exact same model are going to have exactly the same mojo.

I spent about 2 years trying to troubleshoot why the new unit of a Rockerverb 100 MKIII that I bought new from Sweetwater didn't give me the goosebumps like the one of the same exact model I played at a Guitar Center ("new" but on shelf and being played by customers). Couldn't finance through GC so I couldn't buy that unit. I figured they couldn't be THAT different even considering how many different components and variations of tolerances go into a 100 watt all tube amp.

It was night and day. The GC unit made me think my days of messing with fuzz pedals (which I was and still am fanatical for) were over in favor of the drive channel on the amp and the one I purchased made me wonder if I was losing my hearing or just plain done trying to ever satisfy any form of tone chase I was engaged in. Even though I couldn't let myself believe it while I owned that amp I had to give in and realize that what people say is truer than you can imagine. You have to buy the one you played. I had to sell that amp off and lost around $1000 in doing so. It was around 2.5 years old and other than sounding unsatisfying to me, was in perfect condition. Never gigged. It was probably my greatest disappointment in all of my gear endeavors.

If I ever came across the unit I played at GC I would probably try to move Heaven and Earth to own it. Unfortunately, I don't know its serial number so that will likely never happen.
 

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// I figured they couldn't be THAT different even considering how many different components and variations of tolerances go into a 100 watt all tube amp. //

Isn't that true for anything electronic? Modern construction techniques minimize those differences.
 

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My experience with Orange was a severely hard lesson in "you have to buy the one you played" because if you don't, you'll expect the unit you own to sound like the unit you demoed and no two units of the exact same model are going to have exactly the same mojo.

I spent about 2 years trying to troubleshoot why the new unit of a Rockerverb 100 MKIII that I bought new from Sweetwater didn't give me the goosebumps like the one of the same exact model I played at a Guitar Center ("new" but on shelf and being played by customers). Couldn't finance through GC so I couldn't buy that unit. I figured they couldn't be THAT different even considering how many different components and variations of tolerances go into a 100 watt all tube amp.

It was night and day. The GC unit made me think my days of messing with fuzz pedals (which I was and still am fanatical for) were over in favor of the drive channel on the amp and the one I purchased made me wonder if I was losing my hearing or just plain done trying to ever satisfy any form of tone chase I was engaged in. Even though I couldn't let myself believe it while I owned that amp I had to give in and realize that what people say is truer than you can imagine. You have to buy the one you played. I had to sell that amp off and lost around $1000 in doing so. It was around 2.5 years old and other than sounding unsatisfying to me, was in perfect condition. Never gigged. It was probably my greatest disappointment in all of my gear endeavors.

If I ever came across the unit I played at GC I would probably try to move Heaven and Earth to own it. Unfortunately, I don't know its serial number so that will likely never happen.
You sure that the 2 exact model amp heads didn't sound alike was more so because the type of speaker/cab and the room size at GC doesn't match your situation at home? 50% of the tone an amp head will have that's unique is most definitely the speaker brand and model as well as the type of cab build they're in as well as the ambience of its location.
 

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on one hand, there's a tonal consistency there: you're getting the orange sound, in small, medium or large. And that means even a 212 can handle their biggest amps. And aside from Marshall, I don't think most of the big can guys offer that much speaker variation- Mesa, evh, diezel, engl, etc. Maybe a couple speakers, at best.
Yeah, that's a good point. I think if I were working at Orange I'd suggest they just switch over to H creambacks for everything, though ;) (though maybe the weight of 4 H magnet celestions in a 4x12 wouldn't be appreciated in this day and age - the H creamback seems heavier than the V30).

I understand that it's just my personal preference but this is one of the few times where I think other people will really like it too! IMO it's a brilliant combination, I can't be the only person who has used a G12H creamback with an orange amp, though.
 

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You sure that the 2 exact model amp heads didn't sound alike was more so because the type of speaker/cab and the room size at GC doesn't match your situation at home? 50% of the tone an amp head will have that's unique is most definitely the speaker brand and model as well as the type of cab build they're in as well as the ambience of its location.

The room was actually somewhat comparable between GC and at home but I actually did eventually purchase the exact cabinet I tried the GC unit through from that GC (an Orange PPC412 straight) and it still didn't get me there. I've played other amps that I have liked a lot in several different room situations and there was never a room that ruined the sound to the point where I felt the disparity which existed between these two heads.

I had a brand new out of the box PPC412 Slanted cab I got to match the head at home. I was getting bad tone and eventually those speakers did break in considerably resulting in a better tone but it still never came close to what I experienced through the unit at GC. And as I stated above I eventually owned the very cabinet that the GC unit went through but when I got it home it was only a marginal change.

The thing that killed me about the MKIII was the notched controls. I feel there is a chance that considering the natural variance in potentiometers across the board may have made it so the detentes in the controls prevented me from being able to match the variation of pot value that I was experiencing on the GC unit.

The GC unit with the gain at about 3:00 to 4:00 was like three dimensional liquid fire. It roared. It barked it crunched. The mids and treble response was insane where the one I owned sounded hollow and mushy by comparison.
 

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The room was actually somewhat comparable between GC and at home but I actually did eventually purchase the exact cabinet I tried the GC unit through from that GC (an Orange PPC412 straight) and it still didn't get me there. I've played other amps that I have liked a lot in several different room situations and there was never a room that ruined the sound to the point where I felt the disparity which existed between these two heads.

I had a brand new out of the box PPC412 Slanted cab I got to match the head at home. I was getting bad tone and eventually those speakers did break in considerably resulting in a better tone but it still never came close to what I experienced through the unit at GC. And as I stated above I eventually owned the very cabinet that the GC unit went through but when I got it home it was only a marginal change.

The thing that killed me about the MKIII was the notched controls. I feel there is a chance that considering the natural variance in potentiometers across the board may have made it so the detentes in the controls prevented me from being able to match the variation of pot value that I was experiencing on the GC unit.

The GC unit with the gain at about 3:00 to 4:00 was like three dimensional liquid fire. It roared. It barked it crunched. The mids and treble response was insane where the one I owned sounded hollow and mushy by comparison.
Hmm, If it wasn't due to the speaker/cab and/or room, maybe the tubes that were in the amp at GC were not the same brand/model as the ones that came with the amp you ordered? Other than that, I'm stumped!
 

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Hmm, If it wasn't due to the speaker/cab and/or room, maybe the tubes that were in the amp at GC were not the same brand/model as the ones that came with the amp you ordered? Other than that, I'm stumped!

The tubes in mine were from factory and so were the tubes in the GC unit. Believe me when I tell you that I checked. The only thing I didn't do was record the serial number on the GC unit so I'll never be able to come across it in the secondhand market. They were both the factory installed PM tubes. Dude, I think its just my human particular and incisively needy taste for tone and the gosh damn adage the just rings true: "You have to buy the amp you played." That is all I can believe considering I'm not an electronics expert nor an amp tech. I'm just a guitar player who loves a certain sound and can't stand it when I can't dial in the sound I love. Its a crapshoot. Win some. Lose some. I just lost that one.
 

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The tubes in mine were from factory and so were the tubes in the GC unit. Believe me when I tell you that I checked. The only thing I didn't do was record the serial number on the GC unit so I'll never be able to come across it in the secondhand market. They were both the factory installed PM tubes. Dude, I think its just my human particular and incisively needy taste for tone and the gosh damn adage the just rings true: "You have to buy the amp you played." That is all I can believe considering I'm not an electronics expert nor an amp tech. I'm just a guitar player who loves a certain sound and can't stand it when I can't dial in the sound I love. Its a crapshoot. Win some. Lose some. I just lost that one.
Oh, I do believe you, I was merely suggesting this because of my first experience with Orange seemed similar. I was in the market to go all tube but not any of the big irons, I had 30+ years old rack mounted solid-state power amps paired with tube/digital preamps and was tired of my tone (needless to say I was out of the loop for that long a time, did not know what was out there, all that legacy gear gone now). Took to the stores I hadn't been in years, GC & Sam Ash, first time I heard an Orange amp was the Dark Terror, demoed at a local GC in NJ thru a Marshall 412, not sure which model nor what speakers were in there. I was instantly sold on its tone as well as the fact that it is a lunchbox sized lil monster of high gain and very loud too (this jaw dropping experience led me on an obsession for 5 more Terror models shortly after...another story for another time). As you did, I ordered the Dark Terror from sweetwater.com, overly thrilled that it arrived in 2 days and was so eager to hear it thru my cabs, needless to say I was shockingly very unimpressed, I'm mean "What the F..."

But almost immediately, I considered the cause being my speakers/cabs, I had 2x 112 open-back Blackstar cabs (one oversized) both had the Celestion Seventy80s (which sounds good for solid-state/digital/modeling amp types) but horrible thru an all tube amp. I quickly got to researching what speakers could have been in that cab, I asked but no one there knew. I learned after contacting Celestion, they directed me to their USA based guru/tech guy specialist, a lot here on the forum, and from Youtube vids that the Celestion Vintage 30s was what a lot of Orange players used. Those 70/80s are a "colorless" speaker designed to not have any character so that they will work for digital/modeling/cab sims type amps (my age old racks obviously included). But for an all tube head a speaker with a more focused frequency range provides the necessary EQs responses that sounds just right., so players shouldn't subscribe to "any amp sounds good thru any speaker" theory. I decided to sell those 112 cabs, buy a Marshall 412, gutted out the stock speakers for a quad of new V30s and suddenly that sound which sold me on Orange was now here at home, still don't know if they were the speakers in that cab but I didn't care, it sounded glorious to me. I've since then added 2 more cabs, both EVH 5150 III 212 and 112l, a bit different tone but glorious still.
 

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Hey guys, I hope this is the right thread... There is a nice Rockerverb III at the right price nearby and I am getting the itch.... While I would be getting it for the gainy stuff, it would be tremendously useful if the clean channel worked well as a clean pedal platform, too, as that is what I sometimes have to do for various reasons and I would appreciate not having to have another amp for that.
I am not looking for Fenderish sparkly cleans that are pretty themselves. I need a clean, well balanced (mids present), almost somewhat "boring" platform. On paper, this should work (British voiced, huge headroom...)

Any experience?
 




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