Overly bright guitar not so bright afterall

kingrazor

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I was convinced my Yamaha Strat-copy was just an insanely bright guitar because I was running the tone knob down at like 2. But, I had been running the amp's treble knob at the same setting I use for my Samick "les paul", 10 (out of 12).

I tried dialing the treble on the amp down to like 3 and I could play the Yamaha almost wide open without it sounding overly bright. Now I'm thinking my Samick is overly dark more-so than my Yamaha being overly bright.

I was already going to get new pickups for my Samick but now I'm choosing slightly brighter pickups; a Seymour Duncan Jazz in the neck and a Pearly Gates in the bridge.
 
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I believe that if you have enough room to compensate on your amp, then the guitars are fine. The other thing that helps a lot on a strat style guitar is turning the volume down on the guitar. You lose a little volume and top end gets rolled off between 10 and 7 on the dial.
 

kingrazor

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I believe that if you have enough room to compensate on your amp, then the guitars are fine. The other thing that helps a lot on a strat style guitar is turning the volume down on the guitar. You lose a little volume and top end gets rolled off between 10 and 7 on the dial.

Honestly the Samick is a little dull even with the treble on 10 on the amp.
 

pipedwho

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At least you were using the tone control on the guitar. I know people that have changed the pickups on the guitar because they were 'too bright' with the tone at 10, and didn't like running the tone at 7 to get the perfect tone. In their mind, the pickups were so close, but not quite there.

It's easier to warm down a bright pickup than it is to brighten up a dead pickup.
 

Jason_77

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I believe that if you have enough room to compensate on your amp, then the guitars are fine.

I like this way of looking at it. I had the same experience when I got my first strat. I plugged it in with my humbucker settings and it was just harsh and strident. I had to back the presence down quite a lot and take a notch off the treble. But once I got there, it sounded great!
 
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Just don't look at the levels on the controls or you'll start thinking something's wrong with the amp! Close your eyes and turn the knobs till it sounds good.
 

kingrazor

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Just don't look at the levels on the controls or you'll start thinking something's wrong with the amp! Close your eyes and turn the knobs till it sounds good.

I prefer to have an idea of what settings are where so I can remember them in the future.
 
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I'm not kidding! Dial in the tone with your ears, and then take a look at the levels on the knobs. Sometimes I'm surprised to see where they end up, and I know I wouldn't have put them there if I was looking. It's just an exercise in listening. It's good for you.
 

kingrazor

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I'm not kidding! Dial in the tone with your ears, and then take a look at the levels on the knobs. Sometimes I'm surprised to see where they end up, and I know I wouldn't have put them there if I was looking. It's just an exercise in listening. It's good for you.

That's always what I've done. I never said I only adjust tone knobs with my eyes. All I was commenting on was the significant difference in the settings. I didn't expect to have to make such a large adjustment between the two guitars. The conclusion I drew is that I'd like to swap the pickups on each guitar (but mostly on the Samick, the Yamaha is fine for now). That way I don't have to make as big of an adjustment on the guitars, and in the case of the Samick I might want to actually use the tone knob whereas right now there'd be no point because it's already too dark.

I've been a live sound guy for almost 8 years, so I'm no stranger to this stuff lol.
 
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That's always what I've done. I never said I only adjust tone knobs with my eyes. All I was commenting on was the significant difference in the settings. I didn't expect to have to make such a large adjustment between the two guitars. The conclusion I drew is that I'd like to swap the pickups on each guitar (but mostly on the Samick, the Yamaha is fine for now). That way I don't have to make as big of an adjustment on the guitars, and in the case of the Samick I might want to actually use the tone knob whereas right now there'd be no point because it's already too dark.

I've been a live sound guy for almost 8 years, so I'm no stranger to this stuff lol.

I run sound once in a while. I love it! I'm always surprised at the difference in perceived volume just sweeping the mid frequency. I wasn't cuttin' on ya, just putting my experience out there. If people can learn from my mistakes, and I've made plenty, it could save them some time. The quest for tone is a journey, and I'm damn glad to be on it with you fine folks!
 




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