P90s, am I doing it wrong?

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  1. jiml

    jiml Supporting Member

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    I tried a few sets in my Les Paul Goldtop, they all seem to be too mid focused and missing that "zing" I have heard in vintage P90 loaded Gibsons.

    I've tried Lollars, Fralin Noiseless, Rewind and Zhangbuckers. All were/are overwound.

    The Goldtop is all mahogany, this is my first P90 guitar.

    Am I doing it wrong?
     
  2. FenderBigot

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    Height adjustment maybe?!? :dunno
     
  3. saltbird

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    Not sure exactly what you mean by "zing" but aren't most (of the "good" ones at least) vintage P90s under wound?

    I recommend keeping your pickups lower output if you're going for vintage tone, and get your gain downstream from your guitar via pedals and/or your amp.
     
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  4. MarkV

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    Zing?

    P90 do have a lot of mids in general. Some are a little less bold (Fralin) and some more raunchy (hotter Gibson’s), but I like most of them.

    Bridge or neck P90 that is not delivering? What is the zing you are missing?
     
  5. mdubya

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    You need to give an example.

    Best sounding Les Paul, P-90's ever.



    Even modern A3 magnets are stronger than vintage A3 magnets (what early 50's P-90's had) due to metallurgy and purity.

    Most P-90's absolutely scream due to two magnets when the volumes are on 10. Roll the volumes way down, try the middle position. Stuff starts to happen.

    Or you could contact James at Rewind. Tell him what you are not getting currently.

    Or buy some 50's P-90's. If they aren't doing the magick, it might be you.

    I like my modern A5 and A2 P-90's just fine. They rock. :dude:dude:dude
     
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    An overwound P90 isn't going to sound like a vintage P90, that's the big issue. If you want a vintage P90 tone, get a vintage type P90...Duncan Antiquities, Wolfetone, Gibson, etc. No need for something overwound, normal P90s are pretty raunchy as-is, they're certainly not weak pickups.
     
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  7. jiml

    jiml Supporting Member

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    Mostly the bridge, they just don't have any sparkle or high end?
     
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    I'll try some tamer winds then.

    I remember playing an old Junior, and the pickup was just "wild". Lotsa high end, really open sounding, microphonic. It was glorious, but really tough to tame. That's kinda what I am after..
     
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    I've just put OX4s in my ES-330 and I'm loving them so far. Vintage spec - based on 1957 Les Paul Special p'ups I believe. Definitely have the 'zing', in my opinion! A good amount of high end vs. the stock MHS 90's.
     
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    Yup.

    Sparkle, high end, and clarity all increase with lower output pickups, while higher gain pickups will equate to a darker tone.
     
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    hey, why you always givin' us the finger, joe? you seem like such a really friendly guy, so whassup widdat?
     
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    Did you try Gibson P-90s? (Or is that what you swapped out of the guitar in the first place?)
     
  14. jiml

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    It came with noiseless Fralins.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I would also say go vintage. I have a set of Tonerider Al II Vintage, and there is nothing warm or middy about them.
     
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    Also, I have found P-90's to be very sensitive to height adjustment.

    My A5's like a bit of room to breath (but not too much :eek: lol ). I will raise pole screws but, again, not too much.

    My A2's like to be set closer to the strings.

    I currently have 4 P-90 guitars.
     
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    they arent for everyone.
    also you should sell me that gorgeous looking guitar lol
     
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    The finger??
     
  19. jvin248

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    Tone fixes:

    1. Pickup height adjustment
    2. Pots & Caps measuring and swapping
    3. Pickup Swap

    Pots and caps are as much a part of the tone circuit as the pickups, even when dimed. They cost 1/10th the price of the pickups too.

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  20. Jr Deluxe

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    P90s want to be close to the strings. Start at an 1/8 or so and go up and or down a little until the tone gets unchoked. Also make sure you have 50s wiring on the tone control and a good .015 paper oil cap. You can find good ones from Russia on amazon for about 5 bucks.
     
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