P90s, am I doing it wrong?

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by jiml, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. GFrank

    GFrank Member

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    Cap10kirk is on it.
    I think you are looking for low wind p90s - 8K or under for the bridge. That will give you plenty of zing and edge and cut in the bridge, and a nice fat glassiness for the neck.
    I have a pair of low wind p90s (8K bridge, 7.2K neck) in my Gretsch and they sound absolutely terrific - like a hot, slightly beefy, yet bright and edgy Tele kind of a thing.
     
  2. bobmc

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    I have been following this closely as I just picked up an Epi Casino Coupe (physical issues force me to look for light weight guitar).
    Fun to play, etc., and I bought it solely as a platform to mod. The PUPs, which are really muddy and wild at the same time, measure:
    Neck 11.9K
    Bridge 11.4K
    I get 'guitar like' sounds out it, but not 'guitar like' sounds I uh, like.
     
  3. s3gle

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    Hahahaha. Thanks for your input

    I suppose you'd go on about getting something like clarity out of distorted P90 hi output with tube pre's, but it's just so obvious no explanations are needed
     
  4. jiml

    jiml Supporting Member

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    I sold off the +5% Lollars (9.4k bridge).
    Send a custom wound Rewind P90 back to James to have him lower DCR to ~8K
    Have my eye on a few vintage P90s on Reverb.

    I'll loop back and post when I get the "cooler" P90 back from James.
     
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  5. johnetone

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    Definitely interested in hearing how it goes.

    I came to say that the recent wave of pickup builders doing “staple” P90 models might be something to really check out (especially in the neck position).

    Those are very promising for an articulate and not overly loud pickup from what I’ve heard.
     
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  6. J-Flanders

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    Those may be the worst sounding P90's out there.
    I have(had) the same in my Epiphone wildkat.
    On top of that 12k, the brass dogear covers eat the last remaining bits of treble.

    There are two versions of these pickups.
    The bad ones that you and I have and which measure around 12k and the good ones that measure around 7-9k.
    Since all of these come from China anyway I thought I was being smart to look around on AliExpress for the good ones. Found them here at 25$ for a set:
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/327...earchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

    Seller states:
    Resistances/Output - Bridge: 9.4k Neck: 7.4k (+/- 10%)

    What do I get in the mail... 2 'bad' ones reading 12k, the exact same I already have, they even came with Epiphone labels, packaging and everything. :(
    So don't buy.
    But the good ones must be out there somewhere.

    For the neck pickup I bought this one at 12$ a piece. (Alnico 5, 7k):
    https://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot...&orderId=90932044395843&productId=32822519011
    But I won't deny that it was a lot of work to get it out of the soapbar cover, replace the baseplate and get it correctly aligned into the dogear cover.

    For Casino or Wildkat dogears there are no cheap alternatives other than DIY hacking around.
    It's that or sending your originals in to have them rewound:
    https://www.lollarguitars.com/dogear-and-casino-model-page
     
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  7. zombiwoof

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    The "good" Epi P90's are the "Pro" series ones, I am not sure if you can buy them yet. Same vintage-type specs as their ProBucker HB pickups.
    What I'm waiting to hear are the new Epi Alnico Firebird pickups, which are actual FB construction with Alnico mags. In the new "Inspired by...." Firebird guitar. Even Gibson hasn't done that yet.
    Al
     
  8. cameron

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    You don't want them overwound. And you don't want them underwound. You want them wound JUST RIGHT.
     
  9. 71strat

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    Throbak

    '55/'56 - SB MXV P90 Guitar Pickups Specs.:
    Neck 7.6K Bridge 8.1K, Long A2 neck, Long A4 bridge

    Hendrix used a 1955 Les Paul Custom/P90s on All Along the Watchtower, and House Burning Down.

    Neck 7.6K (long A2), Bridge 8.1K (Long A4). Full round tone that covers classic vintage P-90 clean and dirty tones of the '56 LP Standard era. Pickup come with ThroBak exclusive vintage modified baseplates to perfectly fit your Gibson Historic Les Paul and all other guitars. Available with vintage style baseplates upon request in special instruction box.

    Some screaming P90 guitar here. Killer highs.


     
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  10. InkStained

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    You might want a different kind of P-90 -- one with alnico pole pieces.
     
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  11. jiml

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    As always, just too much out there!!

    Thanks for the suggestions, I will see how the rewound Rewind sounds when I get it back from James.
     
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  12. jiml

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    Update:

    Got the "cooled" P90 from James at Rewind, he lowered it to 7.88k. I have been messing with it for a week now, still adjusting heights, etc.

    It's still really "beamy" full open on all pots, no matter how much gain or volume.

    However, if I dial it back and roll off the tone knobs a bit, I get some really nice tones. The volume and tone interact a little differently, its like a midrange control of sorts. The bridge pickup on alone with volume 8 and tone 7 sounds just right.

    I'm still not sold, I need to mess around more.
     
  13. JoePerkinsMusic

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    Just bought myself a little guitar-related present & ordered a Monty's '54 P90 to go in it...will report back! :)
     
  14. monty

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    Local shop had one in for over a year, I played it all the time sitting on the fence about buying it. When I got a 3 year contract at work I went in to buy and it was gone :(
    One of my big non buying regrets. I know I can find one online but I really bonded with this one.
     
  15. cuz/karl

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    Budz pickups.
    Your welcome
     

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