Pa system diagnosis

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  1. eclecto-acoustic

    eclecto-acoustic Member

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    Hey folks,

    Our church PA is slowly getting to the point where we can stop worrying about problems...slowly.

    The issue we are getting is a random, yet regular, buzz that goes through everything. Like...everything.

    Equipment list:

    Mackie DL1608 w/iPad2
    Peavey SP mains and amp
    Phonic amps for monitors and sub
    Behringer passive floor wedges
    Samson Q7 mics
    Line 6 wireless system for lapel mic
    Shure wireless system for handheld

    Watching the meters on the iPad, I can see spikes in noise every so often even in muted channels. Only unplugged channels are free from it. Otherwise, it hits everything.

    Now, supposedly the building was wired so that all of our audio equipment (outlets in the booth and on stage) is on the same circuit, which I assmue means the same ground.

    This isn't a constant ground loop hum...just periodic buzzing, maybe a little higher than your typical 60Hz.

    Ideas?
     
  2. Rex Anderson

    Rex Anderson Member

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    We had the same problem in our Performing Arts Center. It was not there for years and then one day started happening. I didn't work there on a regular basis, but the guy who did said it drove him crazy.

    I think they finally tracked it down to something in the building that cycled on and off, a pump or part of the HVAC system.

    A good electrician needs to help find your problem.
     
  3. buddaman71

    buddaman71 Student of Life Silver Supporting Member

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    Light dimmers are VERY often the culprit in this scenario. Failing ballast in fluorescent lights, HVAC and commercial fridge/freezers kicking on and off are common too.
     
  4. eclecto-acoustic

    eclecto-acoustic Member

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    Even if the dimmers are full bright and not on the same circuit?
     
  5. wpawley

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    Sounds like something cycling on and off. Look to the air handler system or a fridge/freezer. If is it a random thing (as in it doesn't do it on a regular schedule) that is where I would look. Sometime when the church is not in use, turn out the lights, turn on the PA and see if it still does it. Rule out one thing at a time.
     
  6. mattball826

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    did you try a different (perhaps analog) mixer?

    best method is isolate and substitution to find the culprit.
     
  7. eclecto-acoustic

    eclecto-acoustic Member

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    The problem existed before we had this mixer. Its predecessor was analog.
     
  8. dporto

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    If it's "line noise" analog or digital won't/shouldn't make a difference. As was suggested above you have to try to 1) isolate the source of the noise 2) once the source of the noise is determined, figure out how to isolate it from your sound system. The simplest method would be to shut off all the breakers in the main electrical panel except the one that your system is on. Is the noise still there? Make sure you listen for a period long enough to determine if it's cycling on and off. If the sound system remains quiet (which it should if the culprit isn't on the same circuit) part 1 of your test is complete. Turn on 1 circuit at a time and listen for noise/buzz. Once again you'll have to listen long enough to give the offending culprit time to cycle if it's an intermittent thing. Once you've determined that a circuit is "quiet", shut it off and move on to the next one. If you repeat this procedure throughout the entire panel, you should be able to identify the offending circuit and/or piece of equipment. Once the origin is identified an appropriate plan of attack to get rid of the noise can be formulated.
     
  9. Crowder

    Crowder Dang Twangler Silver Supporting Member

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    I agree with the idea that something outside the system could be causing it. At the same time, you have an awful lot of consumer grade wireless mics. You might cycle those off and on individually to see if you can recreate the noise.
     
  10. BBN

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    Yes, even if they're on a different circuit.

    If you have time to trouble shoot, turn the system on and wait until the issue occurs. If you don't recognize a freezer or something that just turned on, then have someone stand at the circuit breaker panel and have them turn off circuits until you hear the buzz go away.....you found your culprit.
     
  11. mattball826

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    are you near any transmission towers?
     

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