Parallel routing with a deluxe reverb...

[ondamedia]

Hello!
Situation : i play mainly strat --> od or comp --> strymon brigadier --> strymon bluesky --> fender deluxe reverb (vib channel).
I use LOTS of delay and reverb during some songs (something like ambient music), but using them together results in a muddy sound (TOO muddy)...

Idea : i'd like to use them in parallel, sending signal with delays to Normal channel of the DRRI and signal with Reverb to vibr. channel...

I'd have to split the signal and invert the phase of one channel (i think they are out-of-phase), maybe with something like a barber launchpad or a radial bigshot aby...

Do you think it could work ? Suggestion ? Problem ?

 

[cerebralpaul]

Just use a parallel mix pedal like the Radial Bigshot Mix.

You are correct about the channels being out of phase and that you'd have to use something to invert if you use the method you're suggesting- it would work, but in practice having a wet and dry sound coming out of the same speakers won't sound much different from using a parallel mix pedal. The best sound would come from splitting your wet and dry sounds to two different amps but that would be even more complicated.
Can the Strymons do 100% wet signal?

 

[62Tele]

The two channels are indeed out of phase - if this is a vintage DR, a tech can easily wire the amp so the reverb and trem is on both channels and they are in phase. That said, I agree that trying to get a wet/dry sound out of a single amp and speaker will probably not be satisfying.

On thing I've wired up is splitting the signal off of my board with one line going to a tube amp and the other going to a Tech 21 pedal then to the board. I did this for the sake of headroom and monitoring (sounds huge if you set it up right) but you could easily turn this into a wet/dry application.

 

[direneed]

As others mentioned, running the signal split w/d then back into the same amp will not be any better than running just a wet signal by itself. Lots of cheap options for a wet/dry rig such as the DI box mentioned by 62Tele. You could also get something like a Crate Powerbloc or Ethos Amp with a 1x12 for w/d stage sound.

I run a 2 amp rig 95% of the time and there just is no substitute, but the stereo sound does get significantly diminished in live playing with a band, at least from my experience. If you do decide to run another amp, get something like a Diamond ST-Mix to allow phase switching and to prevent ground loops. There are other options out there, but the ST-Mix is my favorite.

 

[ondamedia]

Thanks for your replies!

What I'm trying to do exactly isn't running a wet/dry rig, but having delays in a channel and reverb into the other...something like a "parallel routing" (this kind of option is offered with many rack multifx)...

I'd like to have my delay repeats not reverberated...

 

[Roe]

some pedals invert the phase, so this may be a little tricky

 

[drbob1]

It's trial and error my friend. No one can tell you if you'll like the added control of having separate volume and tone controls on your delayed and reverb sounds. Gotta try it and see! Going into the same amp you can use any ABY to split the signal, then find out if any of the pedals after the split are inverting or not.