pedals for Vox that push the amp??

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by jamiefbolton, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. jamiefbolton

    jamiefbolton Supporting Member

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    As many of you all have done and are still doing, I'm in the midst of trading out dirt boxes. Here is what I've had in the past and why I'm leaving them...

    OCD- yes very amp-like, but I don't like that amp....i guess I just didn't like the pedal

    Box of Rock- nice, but again, not my flavor...i LOVE marshalls, but MY tone is VOXish I think for the moment

    So i've moved from trying to make my AC30 sound like something different to just pushing it and using its sound....

    So here is what I have now and on the way...

    Tube Screamer for that TS sound...
    Fatboost 2
    Xotic AC

    Is the Xotic BB Preamp good? Does it sound like a pedal or amp? Is it transparent? Do I need something else, or just two levels of boost played through an almost dirty amp....whatever I get I want it to keep the characteristics of the AC30....and I've had the Klon too...so not worth $300 unless you have a lot of money....
     
  2. dk_ace

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    The TS is just almost useless with an AC30. Way too many mids to be very useful. I've heard mixed reports on the fatboost 2. The FDII is pretty cool in the flat mids mode (forgot what it's called), but I wasn't all that thrilled with it honestly.

    The best pedal I've found for pushing my AC30 is the Crowther Hotcake. It just works. It was designed to work with the AC30, and it does a beautiful job. It will do totally transparent with the presence and gain off, but I use it as a boost with a touch of presence and grit.

    The other pedal that works well for me is the Barber Direct Drive. It is in the Marshall vein, but works well in front of the Vox for gain sounds.

    I haven't tried the Xotic effects, but I've heard good things about the BB in front of Vox amps.

    D
     
  3. thisfire

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    Try some kind of clean boost...if you don't wanna spend the $400 on a Klon, then you probably won't be interested in the BJF Red Rooster or the Landy Boost, but those kinds of pedals do a great job of pushing the amp to get a very natural kind of breakup (semi-colored, but still fully retaining the charateristics of your Vox). I was always a fan of the Super Chile Picoso, although it doesn't have quite as much output as the 2 previously mentioned - for the money it definitely can't be beaten. So far, to be honest, the pedal that I've noticed colors my tone the least is my Menatone Kar Krash with the gradual setting and low gain (aside from the Tim, of course, which is incredibly transparent but IMO doesn't necessarily do a good job of pushing tubes).
     
  4. devnulljp

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    FWIW, I really like the AC boost - a nice way to dirty up a tube amp without colouring it too much. But I don't have a vox, so YMMV.
    Have you tried a treble booster in there? I've got a DAM RedRooster on the way...some time when he finishes making them. A lot of people here say good things about the Throbak. Also thinking about a Beano to try...
     
  5. hunter6726

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    The Keeley Blues Driver, The SexDrive, the Chili Picaso, and the Direct Drive have all been great. I use a 1963 Ac-30.
     
  6. gang twanger

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    Overdrive Boost (Colorsound Overdriver Clone)

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    This should work beautifully with your Vox. I have one and it is amazing. So glad I spent the money. It's like an overdrive/fuzz/clean boost/treble boost/germ + silicon hybrid fuzz pedal all in one box. Sounds awesome and has a great EQ. Very amplike and makes a great amp sound even greater and has a master volume control on the side that really helps for clean amps (plus the attenuator effect really works- no joke). And no wait as long as you get it directly from them.
     
  7. AL30

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    Not sure about the AC-30 but I've heard and played several AC15's with a variety of guitars (Strat, Teles, Les Paul, Jazzmaster) and the Tube Screamer sounded great with all of them.

    AL
     
  8. kiteflyer

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    Voxes are definitely a little picky. Here are my experiences

    Hotcake- probably one of the most popular with the vox (for good reason). retains the vox character and sounds great. A little strange at first due to some serious nonlinearities in the knobs, but not hard after you figure it out. Can go from a clean boost to a fuzzy o/d. Get it directly from Paul Crowther for $140.

    range master clone- sounds cool through the normal channel. Gets that Brian May singing tone but has a huge volume boost that makes it kind of tricky to use unless you leave it on all the time.

    OCD- marshally. I like what it does in LP mode; especially at the higher gain settings. A little heavy in the bottom end perhaps.

    Klon- adds fatness to the tone. Sounds great but it may not be worth the $$$ to many.

    Gaspedals Carb. I really like this one. Has some hair in the high end. Adds sparkle and a bit of grit. Firm bottom end.

    AM King of tone v.4- argh, this does not work with my Vox for some reason. Sounds like it smooths the highs of the vox too much. makes it a little dull sounding. Sounds amazing with a fender though.

    Good luck
     
  9. dk_ace

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    You can get decent results with the normal channel, but their isn't any real use for it in front of the top boost channel which is what many people buy the AC for. If you were buying a pedal specifically for use with an AC30, there are much better options than a TS for the same money. I'm a loyal TS fan. I've had my Keeley for years now, but they just don't sound very good in front of a Vox. Useable maybe, but not a great choice by any stretch of the imagination unless you want that nothing but mids spike and hair sound as a special effect.

    D
     
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    kiteflyer hit on a couple of good ones for sure: Gaspedal Carb; Hotcake.

    Others that I've tried with my 15 and 30 are: MI Audio Crunch Box for a bit MORE gain; Xotic RC Boost is GREAT just for kicking the amp up a notch both in volume and gain; Best for me to-date has been the Lovepedal Eternity. Definite keeper with both the VOX 15 and 30.

    I'll also agree with others that your standard TS style OD don't do a lot for a VOX other than kill the good things that VOX amps are noted for.

    dave
     
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    where do i contact him for a hotcake....is there a website?

    i googled crowther and got nothing useful
     
  12. kiteflyer

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    Yeah, I had the same problem. No website as far as I know of. You gotta email him to order one:

    croth@clear.net.nz
     
  13. murkat

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    MXR Micro Amp. its cheap, sounds like a billion bucks inline with an ac30
     
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    The BB didn't work with my AC15, but I do love my RC Booster with my 15.

    My favorites thus far have been the Barber pedals: SLTD, Tone Pump and DD have all worked very well and have ended my hunt for dirt pedals for this amp.
     
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    Any of the BSM Trebleboosters or the 65 Amps Colour Boost (if you can find one). Don Butler built the Colour Boost as a joint venture with 65 Amps. Don also does a hand built Rangemaster.

    Treble boosters might be just what you're looking for (there are other threads here that address their charms).

    Go crazy!
     
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    Timed Machine Boost. Switchable Treble Booster on one side and real nice clean boost on the other. Works nicely with my Genz Benz Black Pearl which is AC 30 ish.
     
  18. jamiefbolton

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    First of all, thanks for all of the input....the Hotcake has interested me but I'm still not sold on it...has anybody had experience with the Durham Electronics Zia Drive? although it's supposed to be glassy which is NOT what I want at all....
     
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    What exactly do you want the pedal to do? Add volume, sustain, grit, eq options, all of these? To push either channel of the AC30, the Keeley Katana is a great option and very reasonable. It will add volume and increase sustain and can also add some grit with the push/pull pot. It has a flat eq, which is well suited to keeping the Vox tone, no good for subtle eq control though.

    For subtle eq controls and some nice boosting capablities, the BJF Sea Blue EQ is a great option that really works wonders with either channel of the amp.
     
  20. Brownface

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    I used to have an AC30, and at the time I used a Duncan Pickup Booster. It worked really well. It was a Vox on steroids with that pedal. I think I used a Sparkle Drive with it too. I wish I had the AC back now that I've been through a few more pedals. I harp about the Launch Pad all the time, but I really believe in that box. It's very transparent to my ears, and as mentioned above, the Direct Drive is great, or any of Barber's stuff for that matter. A clean boost did wonders for the AC IMO. The only reason I got rid of it was that it was a little too much juice for me. I even had a power cut switch installed, and it was still too much, but it sounded great. Do you jump the two channels together?
     

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