Pedaltrain II owners/experts - I need advice on supplementing a PP2+

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  1. mentalfloss

    mentalfloss Member

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    I'm planning and making purchases for a smaller-than-my-current pedalboard and the Pedaltrain II is the most likely candidate. I'm going to mount a PP2+ underneath, but there will be thirteen pedals plus a wah on the side. Never having seen a Pedaltrain II in the flesh, I'm not sure if there will be space to run a One-Spot off of the PP2+'s auxiliary outlet (for pedals 9-14) or if I would have to power it elsewhere. Also, I'm planning to use a Gig Rig Virtual Battery with the Sun Face, and in reading about those I found out about the Gig Rig Distributer. So I thought maybe I could power a Distributer off of one if the PP2+'s outlets. But then I thought, maybe powering six pedals off of one PP2+ outlet is a mistake. But then I thought, oh, I can use a Virtual Battery for each (or some) of the Distributer outlets. But then I thought, oh no, the expense! (Plus the space consumption on the board). So then I thought, it would be simpler and not insanely expensive just to buy an addition PP2+. And then I called the Pedaltrain salesperson who told me that in order to mount two PP2+'s on the underside of a Pedaltrain, one must drill additional holes. I do low-risk drilling around the house once every two or three years and would really not want to screw up a nice new pedalboard, but I suppose I could tackle it.

    Does anyone have any advice? Other than that I ditch six pedals or use batteries? Thanks!
     
  2. powermatt99

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    Stomping ground makes AC y-cables so you can power two 9v pedals off of one AC jack on you PP2+. You could also run a daisy chain from on the AC jacks on your PP2+. If you choose either of these options, you may have do some trial and error to see which pedals benefit most from the isolated AC jacks on the PP2+ and which pedals can live without the isolation.
     
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    Please bear with me; I'm electronics-challenged - if I make use of Y-cabling or daisy-chanining, I have to be sure that the milli-amp consumption total for the Y'd/chained pedals does not exceed the total capacity for the particular PP2+ output (100mA or 250mA), true? Is that the only concern? And I don't have to worry about any performance degradation or compromise with the Y'd/chained pedals being simulataneously on (in use)? If that's right, and I have three pedals that I will run not-Y'd (they'll run at higher voltage, alternate dip-switch settings on the PP2+), that leaves five PP2+ outputs which could be Y'd to power ten pedals, for a total of thirteen. Whew!

    The thing is, I don't want to spend hours experimenting to figure out which pedals "play well together" for Y-cabling. If members here are confident that Y-cabling and low-count daisy-chaining won't adversely impact performance, then of course this would be cheaper and more convenient than mounting a second PP2+. But if this represents a risk and I really would need to do the Y-cable pedal-pairing very carefully, I'd rather just get another PP2+ (even though that means the extra holes drilling into the Pedaltrain).

    I realize this topic didn't generate much interest when I posted it a few days ago, but I'd really appreciate some more input. Thanks in advance!
     
  4. Jujo

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    You can buy a 1spot Daisy Chain. I use one with my PP2+. Works just fine. Just be sure not to overload the PP2+. Only cost you 10 bucks.
     
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    Are you sure those will even fit on there?

    Make sure to measure it out. I didn't and now I have to buy a pt-pro.
     
  6. macmax77

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    don't buy the daisy chain just yet, i think i have one left, i'll check it out tomorrow morning and let you know if i do.

    If i can find it, it is yours free, i will let you know tomorrow if i still have it.
     
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    By "those" do you mean PP2+'s? Yes, they can be mounted under the newer Pedaltrain II's (I've checked into this with both Analog Mike and with a phone call to Pedaltrain's customer support/sales number). Calling was what also tipped me off to the need to drill additional holes for a second PP2+ installation (which I am now disinclined to do, since I think I'm understanding Y-cabling better, and possibly One-Spotting).

    Or by "those" do you mean thirteen pedals? Yup, I've measured and diagramed and am confident of the fit. But I am waiting to buy the Pedaltrain until I actually have all the pedals in my possession (a few are on order; a Retro Man Uber Vibe, a few Analog Man items, and one of those new Turbo Tuner ST-200s) so I can confirm more concretely.
     
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    I meant all of the pedals fitting on the board.

    Do you have any wahs or volume pedals? What kind of cables/ends are you using?
     
  9. mentalfloss

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    Thank You! That's a very kind offer and I really appreciate it. Yes, I have probably four/five more weeks before I have all the pedals anyway, so I was going to put off any Y-cable, daisy-chain, or 1-Spot purchase(s) until I could determine the lengths I would need. But I would be very happy to take you up on your offer and I'm sure this will be helpful. Let me know how we should make contact.
     
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    i'll pm you tomorrow and let you know if i have found it, if i do, it is yours !
    take good care
     
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    I plan to use my wah off the board (just like Analog Mike!). I have a volume pedal (EB) which I never use (don't like the tone suck and don't want to buy a true-bypass box for it).

    For cables/ends, I'm going to go with Lava Cables and his new (available as of Aug. 22) right-angle plugs (to allow for closer pedal spacing, compared to something like the George L's).

    If it turns out I'm wrong about the fit, I'll probably get a 28x16 Trailertrash board (which should be big enough to put the wah on the board); I definitely don't want the size/weight of the Pedaltrain Pro (plus ATA case). The whole point of this exercise was to have a much more grab-and-go-able board, compared to my current 38x18 and HEAVY back-injury-in-waiting job, while not sacrificing effect variety.

    Thanks for the concern . . .
     
  12. nrvana8775

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    Not a problem. I was off in my estimates of the size of the pt-2, I need a pro. My problem is that I need my 3 main pedals in the front row, but they barely fit next to the tip third hand and goodrich volume pedal. I immediately lost 1/3rd of the real estate because of the volume pedal and expression pedal, but that's the only way the board will work.
     
  13. mentalfloss

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    Should I ask you about the Goodrich VP in another thread? Does it not rob tone/volume? I haven't read about Goodrich. I'd read about the tone-suck issue with the EB VPs but thought, oh it's probably so subtle only an uber-OCD tweaker would notice, but it's very noticeable as it turns out. Otherwise I'd be using it.

    My big(ger) board has an expression pedal which I leave attached to the Captain Coconut 2 (I could also use it with the Paradox TZF flanger, but I never do). Since I only use the EP with the CC2, and the Retro Man Uber Vibe I have on order has a foot-operated speed-wheel control on the side, I decided that the new "baby" board would not include an EP.

    I may someday cave and build a "fetus" board with just a tuner, OD and delay. Yeah, right.
     
  14. Mullenski

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    I had the same situation and mounted an MXR DC Brick underneath. It will fit easily between the supports and can be secured with plastic cable ties.
     
  15. macmax77

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    no luck so far, i am still looking, might be in the rehearsing space.
    Anyway, i'll let you know.
     

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