Chops
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Exactly! It depends on who's doing the noodling.If it was good enough for Jimi...
Exactly! It depends on who's doing the noodling.If it was good enough for Jimi...
It was a joke. Keep yer knickers on.That's the silliest possible justification for anything.
"Well, Pete Rose bet on his own team. If it was good enough for Pete Rose..."
Besides, Jimi was very, very high.
That's the one that gets me. One of our guitar players had a habit of playing licks from songs we were going to play while setting up. Not a problem so much with our originals, but he would do the couple of covers we do as well. We beat the habit out of him.How about telegraphing the next song?![]()
It all had to do with your opening statement and for balance I thought it was just fair to throw out there the flip side of that coin.Essentially all I said was that I like the noodling. How you get from there to "hatred for professionalism" and "attacking the non-noodlers" is beyond me.
You're not even on the page started by the OP and I can only guess what kind of noise you make at gigs.Some of y’all take your $100/man classic rock covers way too seriously
When you start to not care, it's time to find some inspiration, or go get another job....when your life is playing 5 bar gigs a week you start to not care about a lot of things.
Yep. And I have a stage-goes-completely-dark rule for a minimum of 20 minutes before downbeat. Everything goes silent and everyone LEAVES the stage until 2 minutes before downbeat. Then at the 2-minutes-till mark, every still stays silent until DB.Professional bands do not noodle between songs.
Some jam bands might warm up a little, tweak a couple of pedals at the beginning of the show but that's the only time.
Rock supposedly may not have rules but being a showman does.
Do it in my band are you get fined. Keep it up and you get fired. Go have fun in your garage not in front of paying customers.
やっぱり、不味い。
They keep paying......=job.When you start to not care, it's time to find some inspiration, or go get another job.
yup. My band always plays at least 3 songs as seamlessly as we can, with short breaks to tune (silently) while saying hi to the crowd.I liked the rule the Ramones had 5 songs then say something then 5 more ..oops kinda got it wrong but yeah thats one of my pet peeves....and backpacks
Problem is too many players who noodle or banter like Hendrix have neither his talent or wit.When I was young and started playing guitar it was because I said “I want to rock!”....
I wonder if there were some kids who said “I want to rock... but in a professional manner, ideally in a $100/man cover band with a potential for $200/man gigs, and with a rigid mgmt structure which includes fines for any indiscretions”. ??? Lol
I get it though.... when I was a commercial photographer for about a decade I stated out doing my own thing, creative as I wanted etc, wasn’t about the money. If I wanted to cover a model in green paint and thought it looked cool, I did it.
Now there was a small percentage who got paid tons of money for their vision, and big magazines etc said “do what you want, we want your vision, here’s a big bag of money”....
cool if you can get that work, but the reality was doing catalog work for JC Penny.... you shoot the models they way they want, they don’t care for your vision, you don’t suggest paint etc on the models lol, but it paid the bills.
now peers who either were doing high end creative work, or maybe just shooting stuff they liked for fun, used to look down in my wOrk, it was boring and commercial, but it paid the bills.
so yeah, I guess if your thing is keeping gigs and making clients happy, keep on keeping on, BUT, those who don’t follow that path will likely have a hard time understanding why music has to be so rigid.
again, I’d rather see a guy like Hendrix noodle away, banter, come up with spur of the moment jams and improv etc any day of the week over a well oiled professional cover band doing flawless song to song professional sets, but I guess I’m not the target market for that type of thing.
I’m never going to book a wedding band, I don’t run a bar or club and don’t cater to the demographic who wants that type of music. I don’t spend each weekend in venues with that type of music running a bar tab, I’m simply not a customer of that type of music business, which is fine, as is being someone who is the demographic.
I do think think things change over time though. A certain demographic of musicians think noodling is bad, and there used to be tons of people who thought facial hair or tattoos in the business workplace wasn’t proper. Some still do, but as a whole, now it’s fine for guys to have beards, women to have visible tattoos etc.
Society changes, music changes, what people consume in music, how they consume it, et al, changes. Maybe a professional 5 piece cover band is becoming a dinosaur no matter how well they perform. Maybe the market is changing and drying up ? Guess do anything you can to grab as much of it as you can, but things aren’t like they used to be and never will again. Such is life.
I liked your post but what Hendrix did had nothing to do with what the OP is about.Problem is too many players who noodle or banter like Hendrix have neither his talent or wit.
Fact is it's all about playing the room, something pros (who rarely noodle) are good at, and non-pros, well, they just continue to reinforce to crowds and venue owners that the same crappy $100-a-man bar scale bands have gotten 20+ years is somehow too much.
Yep. Kinda my point in my reply to the guy who brought it up.I liked your post but what Hendrix did had nothing to do with what the OP is about.
I generally don't noodle between songs, but if there is a gap because someone is (say) changing guitars and I don't feel like talking, I'll play a short vignette (30 seconds) of something. People seem to like it, presumably because I'm actually playing a very short piece rather than just noodling around. Some of those vignettes turned into actual songs over the years.Yes, worst thing ever when someone just starts playing to fill the void.
Not at all. My attitude, when I'm playing a rock gig, is that I want the band to grab 'em by the throat, punch them in the face, and not let up. In a word, "relentless". That's rock as f**k, I reckon.When I was young and started playing guitar it was because I said “I want to rock!”....
I wonder if there were some kids who said “I want to rock... but in a professional manner, ideally in a $100/man cover band with a potential for $200/man gigs, and with a rigid mgmt structure which includes fines for any indiscretions”. ??? Lol
And the ones who don't take them seriously end up being $100 per gig classic rock cover players forever.I’m with this guy ^^^^
Some of y’all take your $100/man classic rock covers way too seriously
Your post is the first place this scenario has been played out in the thread, so, not a concern. Cheers.Where's the concern coming from on the part of those who fear if someone in the band, while setting up, noodles on a riff from a song the band intends to play later in the evening