Peter Green amp on "Shrine '69"

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  1. DEMENTED

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    Listening to my Fleetwood Mac "Shrine '69" cd and am really liking the tones Peter Green and Danny Kirwan are getting. What Fender amps are they using? Any boost?
     
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    I've heard so many different thinks about peter green's amp choices.

    He used JTM-45s with the bluesbreakers
    He used big silverfaced fenders
    He used matamps/orange amps
    He used selmers ocassionally as well.

    I am not familiar with the song you are referring to though
     
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    It's a live show from January 1969, sure sounds like a Fender on "10" but which model is what i am curious about.
     
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    I think they we're using Dual Showmans. Not to sure, But your right the tones Peter & Danny we're getting on that show are outstanding!!
     
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    I believe they were using Dual Showman Reverb amps.
     
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    Orange Amps, then later Fender Dual Showmans.
     
  7. Leonc

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    In every photo and video I've seen from their performances in that era, PG and DK were using large Fender amps. Danny usually played through a silver-faced Dual Showman Reverb and Peter played through what appeared to be a Dual Showman or Dual Showman Reverb.

    Peter and Danny appear to be playing Showman non-reverbs:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QmxYKNkdno

    Danny and Peter with silver-faced Dual Showman reverbs (see 2:22)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4HGlmtOcg

    More big Fenders:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsjmqWpsUg
     
  8. jokerjkny

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    oh man, that album literally gives me the shivers when i hear it...
     
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    They didn't start using Fender Dual Showmans until near the end of 69 just before Peter Green left the band. Shrine 69 show was all Orange amps with separate reverb tanks. I've used original JBL D120F's with Fenders and Marshalls for years, and they don't sound anything like the tone from Shrine 69.
     
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    Really? I wasn't at the Shrine so I don't know exactly what was used but I saw them myself in Detroit in '69. Wasn't an Orange amp on the stage, from my recollection.
     
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    The first video say's France 1968. Peter is going through what looks like a blond transition single Showman AA763,black faceplate and tail logo. Danny's looks like the standard blackface single Showman AB763.
    In the second video it looks like they're both going through silverface Dual Showman Reverbs AA769.
     
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    I wasn't going to answer this because I'm bored with writing the same answer each time.
    They did have a deal with Orange which started before "The Pious Bird of Good Omen" was released - how do I know this? I was in the studio when they were recording Albatross and all their gear was Orange. However when they toured was different and I understand that Clifford rented backlines, for example in the 'States. That's why a Fender is not out of the question and neither is the Orange - it depends on where you saw them.
    Best, Pete.
     
  13. jokerjkny

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    nice... :cool:
     
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    In the end, if you compare what an overdriven Orange Amps sound like vs. a pushed Dual Showman with JBL’s, it becomes a bit more obvious to me.
     
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    Gotta agree with Leon...

    I've seen a ton of pics and vids with FM using Fenders... more so than any other amp live. And to me the live recordings almost all sound like Fenders. The live in Chicago CD has a pic of PG with a SF twin.

    One more definitive vid... they used Fenders... even if you can't get them sound like this. ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ8AcEYTEFY

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    When I first heard Shrine '69 I immediate thought Fender Twin Reverb. So Dual Showman Reverb's make sense to me as they're essentially the same amp. Shrine was a live show in LA in '69 and probably a rented back line so I firmly believe it was Fender.
     
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    Multiple Dual Showman amps on 10, and getting beautiful bluesy tone? These guys were gods. Deaf gods maybe, but gods for sure.
     
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    It is entirely possible that they used Orange Matamps at this show. But without direct, verifiable evidence...I don't think any of us really knows or ever will.

    What we do have a great deal of direct evidence of is that they often used big Fender amps as they're easily seen in many of the film clips that have come from that later days of the early FM. What this has proven to me is that what I've come to think of as "the Peter Green sound" does not come from an Orange Matamp per se. It comes from a good Les Paul and big, loud amp with not much gain. Probably also need some speakers that'll hold up will and not flub out with that volume.
     
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    Loud? Hell yeah! Probably JBL's in those Showman cabs too.
     

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