Picked up a new Fuchs ODS 50 SLX 1x12 combo this morning....

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  1. aeolian

    aeolian Member

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    When I clicked on this, I expected to hear some SRV like rhythm parts, but I kept expecting Django to jump in instead. Awesome. Then I figured out that Tomo was using his SRV Strat.

    There's an explaination of how to play like that?

    But I bet that Tomo could do some killer SRV rhythm parts on that set up to.

    At our last NorCal tonefest at ToneGuru's, Mike had a Tonespotter in a 1-12 Burt cab that just sang. Wished I had time to hook it to my Fuchs. Maybe I should get one for quieter gigs, where the Tonker is just too much.
     
  2. Frankenstrat2

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    Thanks Tomo.
    Actually, its not the tone of the speakers as much as the efficiency that interests me. I think the SLX can probably dial in similar tones from either speaker. Personally, I find the Wizard may be just a bit too efficient for the 50w version of the SLX. Perhaps its a better match with the 30w where you might want more volume and clean headroom. I may prefer the Tonespotter because the manufacturers specs list the Tonespotter being about 3db less efficient, which may translate to being able to crank the master on the 50w SLX just a bit higher and let the amp push a little more wattage into the speakers before you stick out too far in a live mix. And that is just a minor observation, not anywhere near a major issue. The Wizard sounds great with the 50w SLX- a terrific compliment to the amp.
     
  3. scottl

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    Barry,

    I have an 8 ohm Tonespotter here that we can pop in your combo to test. When should I expect you??

    LOL
     
  4. fullerplast

    fullerplast Senior Member

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    I think you may be right on with this Barry. I *really* like the pair of tonespotters in a 2x12 cab with my 30W SLX, but it doesn't sound nearly as good in the 1x12 combo cab IMHO. A G12H30 sounds better there, and I suspect a Wizard may also.

    Scott- what is your preference for the 30W in a combo?
     
  5. rh

    rh Robo Sapien Noise Maker Gold Supporting Member

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    Yep: All Blues for Jazz Guitar: Comping Styles, Chords, & Grooves Jim Ferguson, MEL BAY, ISBN 0-7866-3128-7

    Mind you it doesn't cover Tomo's right hand, but it's got everything else.
     
  6. Tomo

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    Dave,

    You got tasty playiing too!

    Thanks for listening. Mostly I practice jazz around
    my house. Especially I start to play more groove
    than single notes playing. That clip is a part of my
    routine and all my students plays those Rt 3rd 7th
    small voicings. But I practice really really slow to
    be able to play fast. Metronome acctent on 2 & 4
    (40 at a half nore).

    I am really into playing my Ukulele now.

    Funky Ukulele

    Tomo
     
  7. Tomo

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    Thank you so much!!

    Sorry for my misunderstanding.

    Tomo
     
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    scottl Member

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    He means you are a monster!!!! It was a compliment.....
     
  9. Tomo

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    Hi Aeolian,

    I love any comping styles. But I love old school swing groove.
    This way you can work on your left hand mute & right hand struming
    techniques, plus jazz harmony. I make all my students to be able to
    play this. Some students sound just like that.

    Even SRV start can be really jazzy sound. Just how you
    pick strings...

    It's not difficult at all. All you need ...

    Play root on 6th or 5th strings.
    Play 3rd & 7th on 3rd&4th strings.
    No tensions.

    Sometime I use 3rd Rt 5th voicing or 5th 3rd 7th voicing.

    If you can play Bb jazz blues in 3 patterns from my AYGP,
    then all you need to do is use this ideas and apply them
    into tunes.

    And I improvise some changes, because it's jazz. Every time
    chord changes could go this way or that way... So you can prepare

    Bb7 G7 C-7 F7 Bb7 G7 C-7 F7 or

    Bb7 G7 C7 F7 Bb7 G7 C7 F7

    Bb7 G7 C-7 F7 D-7 G7 C-7 F7

    Bb7 G7 C-7 F7 D-7 Db-7 C-7 F7

    Bb7 Bdim7 C-7 C#dim7 D-7 G7 C-7 F7

    Bb7Ab7G7Db7C7Gb7F7A7.... like bass?

    many ways.

    Back to Tonespotter.... I love very simple sound speaker.

    Tomo
     
  10. Tomo

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    Hey Scott,

    Thanks.

    English expression! I always take wrong way.
    Sorry.

    Japanese expession is funny too. Confusing.

    That's why I love music.


    Tomo
     
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    Just went poking around on the Eminence website and PDF files.
    All 8 ohm specs:
    Tonker- 59oz magnet 102db
    Wizard 56oz magnet 103db
    Tonespotter 38oz magnet 100db

    hmmm.
     
  12. Tomo

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    Hi Barry,

    You are right about Fuchs 50 SLX sound great with the Wizard or the Tonespotter.
    Personally I prefer more top end... just a hair more. Especially the Tonespotter
    is great for my rhythm playing which is more important than soloing (for me).

    I was think about you today. You may like the Red Fang.
    What do you think? I was playing with the Red Ryder which is
    very punchy, more efficient. But I was playing with the Red Fang.
    The RF sound great with my Fuchs 50 SLX.

    The RF has 35 oz. Magnet I think.

    If you live closer, you can try many different setting here.
    Do you have any business travel to Boston?

    Now I want 1 12 Combo! More focused tone?
    How much do you push? Could you tell me
    your clean CH setting and OD CH setting please?
    Overall 1 12 combo or cab ... I think the Wizard
    is better choice than the Tonespotter.

    The Wizard is a Big Mac.
    2 Tonesoptters are 2 cheese burgers.

    This clip for Aeolian

    Tonespotter Version R Sakashta Walking

    Tomo
     
  13. aeolian

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    I have a Red Fang in my Deluxe. I'd be afraid to push it very hard with a 50W Fuchs output. My slightly souped up Deluxe can get it to start doing that nasal alnico compression. Maybe in a 2-12 or 4-12 cab it could handle the power and still give the responsiveness that the Fuchs has in spades.

    Now I'm thinking of a Tonespotter for smaller gigs, but TG/Mike was able to get his to cone cry with the 50W TR Custom. How are other folks experience with these in a 1-12 at gig volumes?
     
  14. Mike

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    No cone cry with 2 cheese burgers! This is sick:

    [​IMG]

    Mike
     
  15. Mike

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    BTW, one of my customers recently picked up a minty pre-owned Fuchs 1x12 with the FAT-1 and he likes it a lot.

    We're going to a/b it with my 1x12 Spotter some time, time permitting.

    Mike
     
  16. Frankenstrat2

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    IIRC, the FAT-1 was an Emi that was voiced to Andy's specs right at the time that they were starting to re-vamp their line?
    Good sounding speaker.
     
  17. Jim Martin

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    According to the UPS tracking, Aug. 5th.
     
  18. Deaj

    Deaj Silver Supporting Member

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    Do you want to try to get together sometime the following week to make some sounds with some new speakers, a couple of ODS', and a CJOD?
     
  19. Mike

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    I think it was Andy's take on an EV. Maybe he or Lerner or someone can chime in here.

    Mike
     
  20. Tomo

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    I think Andy told me that it was based on EV SRO.

    Actually I own a pair.

    Tomo
     

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