PLEASE reccommend a GREAT Triangle Big Muff Clone!!!

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  1. Jumblefingers

    Jumblefingers Supporting Member

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    I have an Anlog Man Sun Face NKT275, a D*A*M MKII and I'd like to complete a hat trick with a REALLY good Triangle Big Muff clone to complete my classic fuzz collection. Looking for an "original design", pre-chip based Big Muff which was also called the Guild Foxey Lady.

    I had a Sustain Punch Creamy Dreamer years ago that I unfortunately sold. So what are the "best" ones to choose from these days...Skreddy?? I really want to get THAT sound, Fripp & Eno violin sustain with the same kind of tone knob sweep I remember.

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  2. fellsilver

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    Check out RonSound's Haripie Classic. The other one I've tried and liked is Dice Works' Muff Diver.
     
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    Skreddy Pink Flesh. Sadly, it's been discontinued though. :(
     
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    I second the RonSound.
     
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    Glad I got my order in before he discontinued it.....

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    I have a 1971 BMP. The closest pedal I have found to it is a Diceworks Muff Diver. You can find them on e-bay. Sold by a "tbooster".

    It is about 125.00 I think... it is a PNP device like the original. And although it uses newer transistors. it is as close as you can find. Especially at that price point.

    There are several triangle devices on the market :)

    Personally, I etched out a cloned PCB of my original and built my own clone with high quality parts. The hardest things to find in that case are the 2 SPT3607's and 2 SPT 87103's. You can find the 2N5133 transistors much easier than the SPT's. But, the SPT's ARE the v.1 triangle mojo parts. :)

    -ZP
     
  7. GuitarBrent

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    Hmm I love that tone too. I get that sound with my Barber Trifecta or my Euthymia ICBM.
     
  8. Pale Rider

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    May I suggest the Sanford & Sonny Bluebeard

    awesome sound and I think you'd get everything your looking for and more
     
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    Skreddy seems to really focus on the muffs like no-one else. The Ge transistor problems may be causing a hiccup right now...hopefully not long term.
     
  10. blackjack davey

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    RonSound HairPie Classic (supposedly it was the basis for Jeff Ducette's Creamy Dreamer pedal)
     
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    I'm nailing that biznatch with a skreddy mayo......it's shreddalicious
     
  13. SonicVI

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    I like my DIY triangle clone, same pcb layout and everything (that adds mojo donchaknow :).
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    Love that clone you made Sonic, looks the business! :AOK

    Can someone tell me where to get in contact with Diceworks? They don't appear to have a website...
     
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    Yeah that build looks great SonicVI! :)

    I know a lot of pedal builders say carbon comps don't matter, use metal film instead. But I can hear a smoother quality to the pedals that use carbon comps. I'll bet that's partly why the original Muff in that video link above sounds a bit smoother than the BYOC, which still sounds good but has more bite, slightly more aggressive to these ears.
     
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    Thanks! I don't know about their website, but you can find their pedals on ebay pretty much any time.
     
  17. Uma Floresta

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    I've been reading up about Triangle Muffs recently. According to Skreddy, the most important component choices for authentic Triangle Big Muff sound are the cheap ceramic caps, and in first place, the correct transistors (with the right Hfe). He didn't seem to think that carbon comps did much, but can be included for historical accuracy. In fact, there is no evidence that CC resistors add anything but noise and less precise values. Some people hear a difference, but I think that can be attributed to the low accuracy in actual resistance vs. marked resistance.
     
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    not sure, but I think that the basis for creamy dreamer was and old russian Muff... +1 for Hairpie and Muff Diver
     
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    Well, if the schematic I have is right, the Creamy Dreamer is closer to a Triangle Muff, with a few mods. I'm not sure what transistors were used - perhaps high-gainers, rather than the vintage type. I'm just guessing.
     
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    It's not the trannies, but how they are biased. There are a few changes in the Creamy Dreamer mod, but 90% of the tone comes from lifting the biasing resistor from each of the first 3 transistors. This increases the gain and improves the punchiness. I just did it to my BYOC Ram's Head clone and I'm very happy with the results. I've also done it in the past to a green russian muff, where it was very effective.
     

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