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Poll: Did you come FROM real amps, or are you here to SKIP real amps?

Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by DigiPOV, Dec 7, 2017.

Did you come FROM real amps, or are you here to SKIP real amps?

  1. I have extensive background playing real amps.

    96 vote(s)
    88.1%
  2. I don't have extensive experience playing "real" amps.

    13 vote(s)
    11.9%
  1. DigiPOV

    DigiPOV Member

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    This is a legit question not meant to inflame.

    Is your interest in modelers after extensive experience with real amps, or is your interest in modelers because you've never been able to play real amps (living situation), or see them as superfluous?

    I'm sure the older players have experience with amps and appreciate modelers because they streamline things, they are tired of lugging amps to gigs, and they care more about their lower back than they do about "perfect" tone.

    OTH, I'd bet a lot of newer players haven't logged extensive time with amps and may even view amps as "old" tech. Its conceivable that newer players (< 5 years) started practicing in their bedroom with an amp sim and then gained more interest in playing, so their primary focus has been modelers and full range playback.
     
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  2. djd100

    djd100 Member

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    Don't forget us older guys who combine the best of all technologies (tubes, SS, and DSP), for great sound and preserved lower backs LOL!
     
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  3. Stokely

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    I pretty muched skipped amps, but that's because I'm a very old n00b guitarist! I dabbled in guitar way back--and really regret not sticking with it--but never had a tube amp. I somewhat blame my crappy gear for not sticking with it...while I should have known better, here I'm trying to get a good crunch sound out of a squire strat and some uber cheap fender solid state amp...combine with my bad playing, yeah...not a good sound.

    Ironically I'm somewhat of a believer in learning on the "real thing". I play keys, and my kids are learning, and I think it's good to learn on and play a real piano if you are able to. I play a lot of b3 organ in my band, and really wish I had the space and $ to get a real b3 and leslie. I've only played one once in all my years of hacking away at organ :) So part of me is thinking, "I should get a real tube amp so that I have a "baseline", to know what the modelers are chasing." And I might, but I have kids in the house and all I ever hear is: don't get a small tube amp, and you need to be able to crank it! I have my little Vox pathfinder, and I have s-gear, and maybe someday I'll grab a lower-cost tube amp. Something like a Peavey classic 30 etc...though 30 watts is waaaaay too much for the house.

    Another factor, if I ever played guitar in my current band...I wouldn't have an amp. Keys, bass and guitar are all direct as it is (guitarist has an ax8). So for live use I'd get an amplifirebox or something. If we all needed stage volume, that might be justification for one, but my IEMs and the wedges are all we use.
     
  4. Blix

    Blix Supporting Member

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    I weep for those who haven't been on a stage with a tube amp/4x12" projecting thunder behind them.
     
  5. Bentayuk

    Bentayuk Supporting Member

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    I've owned in the range of 20-30 amps, 70+ effects pedals, and 60+ guitars.

    I went digital for the first time 8 months ago, and it was an eye opener that I'd willingly denied for years.
    Now I'm getting older and mostly play basement bars, I want the lightest, most convenient portable rig I can get.
    Going digital has given me just that, without having to sacrifice anything IMO.
     
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  6. Lambieka

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    I sometimes use modeler amps as a stompbox to feed a valve amp
     
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  7. ericb

    ericb Silver Supporting Member

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    I know many of the modeling guys are way younger than me, but I definitely didn't skip real amps. . My 1st amp was a little tube Gretsch amp bought in 1974 with my 66 Strat. My 2nd was a 2x12 PV Classic and my 3rd was a 1971 Marshall Superlead. I've had many since and still have over 20 GREAT GREAT tube amps and hopefully won't be selling any time soon . I LOVE rotating through and appreciating different amps. . I've had the AX8 since it came out and also an Amplifire-box and love both for what they are. I could live with the AX8 if I had to , but I don't want to and don't have to.. SO there ya go. .

    Eric
     
  8. JiveTurkey

    JiveTurkey Supporting Member

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    I've had a "focused" set of amps (aka mainly 5150 variants and Rectos with some random things here and there in between) over the years. Modelers are just way more consistent for me from room to room than a real amp. That being said; a LOUD amp is absolutely glorious and should be appreciated by every guitar player at least some time in their life \m/
     
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  9. Antmax

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    What's a real amp? a tube amp? I skipped them for a couple of years because they were expensive. Have some software and a couple of modeling amps before I got a tube amp. Use whichever is convenient for the task at hand but like the tube amp better overall.
     
  10. RolandKorg

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    As a teenager, I had a 120w Peavey 2x12 combo that i never liked. But I spent the next 30 years in apartments in nyc and la, so I've had to make do with software and modelers. I'm happy to use the current high-end modelers until I can move into a house, but even then I believe I will still use modelers primarily, but with a couple of tube amps for S&Giggles.
     
  11. Bentayuk

    Bentayuk Supporting Member

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    Correction, over 40 (owned chronologically since 13):
    Vox Escort Lead 50, Marshall VS100 ,Peavey Supreme 100 ,Peavey 5150 (x2), Randall RM100 (x3), Engl Fireball, Randall RM100 Lynchbox , Engl Thunder, Randall RM4, Engl Powerball, Peavey XXX, Jet City JCA50 (x2), Fender Hot Rod Deluxe , Randall RM20C, Randall RH100, Randall RM50 (x2), Fryette Sig X, Jet City JCA22 (x2), Bad Cat Cougar 50, Fryette Deliverance 120, Bogner Uberschall Twin Jet , Mesa Mark V 25, Traynor Ironhorse 50 (X2), Marshall JVM 410 (x2), Marshall JVM 210 (x2), Mesa Single Rectifier, Marshall Mosfet Lead 100, Marshall JCM 800 KK, Randall RM50C , Framus Cobra, Traynor, Darkhorse 15, Peavey Windsor, Jet City JCA100 HDM, Marshall DSL100, Peavey 3120
     
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  12. yeky83

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    Cool topic!
    I have extensive experience playing like... 2 amps. One SS, one tube. I don't think that qualifies me as having extensive experience period, so I put that I don't have extensive experience.

    One thing I still miss about tube amps... a slightly microphonic tube from a cranked up combo amp can be fantastic, gets you controlled feedback even if the amp is far away in isolation.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but modeling doesn't really capture that at all, since microphonics isn't really a desired attribute. And it's a function of sound pressure level on the tubes, not a circuit behavior... I don't think it's modeled at all. I could be wrong, someone show me! XD
     
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  13. tibone

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    Yeah, i've played most of the amps i wanted to play, with the exception of the Engls, it's near impossible to find a Engl here in Brazil. But i've played Voxes, Marshalls, Mesas, Fenders, etc. I always liked Marshalls, because one of the first tube heads i've ever played was a JCM800, cranked in a rehearsal room. No pedals, just guitar, cable, that 800 and a 1960A 4x12. It was glorious. I'm probably deaf.. but it was glorious.
    Now days, modeling is where i am 99% of time. I still like to rent a rehearsal room once or twice a year to blast an amp full volume. It's cool.
     
  14. IndyMead

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    I cannot imagine trying to understand a unit like the Helix without having previously used several different tradition pedalboard into amp type rigs.
     
  15. maxnew40

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    I have been gigging since the 80s and I have owned a lot of different amps over the years. The Helix actually sounds better that a majority of those amps that I owned so I am not sure why you would imply that only real amps can give perfect tone.
     
  16. Jarrett

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    I'm always hesitant to think about the amps and gear I've had over the decades. Just a quick run through is Fender, Marshall, Mesa Boogie, Bogner, Suhr, Two Rock, Tone King, Egnater, VHT, Splawn, Dr. Z, Top Hat, Bruno, Komet, Kendrick, Aiken, Fargen, Alessandro, THD, Fatboy, Zwengel, ADA, Lab Series, etc. The list goes on and on and on. Multiple models from many of those manufacturers. Well over 100k in amps over the years. So stupid :)

    But I did learn a lot in that amp-go-round process. First thing I learned is most of those amps sound almost exactly the same as each other. It's not like there are 500 different amp sounds out there. There are just a few variations on the base amp templates. When you start looking at schematics, you pick this up as well. Also, that the cab makes up a big part of the "signature" sound people associate with amps.

    I also learned enough to understand what Cliff had achieved with the original Axe-FX and what Line6 has achieved with the Helix. If you know what you are doing you can cover A LOT of "real" amp territory with either the Fractal or Helix stuff.

    I don't agree with the "they care more about their lower back than they do about 'perfect' tone" sentiment that was expressed. If anything, my tone is more "perfect" now that it has ever been, but much less raw than it was in the past. Also, there is a maturity that comes with time that allows players to get away from the "I gotta get mah toanz no matter how that impacts the rest of the band" that plagues less experienced players and band mixes. Once players step back and look at the band holistically and how the audience perceives them, all of the sudden a sweet-spot cranked 100 watt tube head on a 4x12 cab makes much less sense in a 50 person room with a modest PA.
     
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  17. Lambieka

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    I use the gear that is ok in the right context

    At home I play on headphones otherwise I'm in troubles
    So no valve amp but a modeling amp

    In the studio a valve amp in combination with the modeling amp and that together blended through a PA

    I don't gig .
     
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  18. Jarick

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    I've been playing for over 20 years but rarely used tube amps. I was in bands for many years but played drums. Guitarists used them. So I'm quite familiar from that standpoint, but for my own playing it was almost always solid state and/or modeling.
     
  19. Lambieka

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    how about playing over a 10 dollar pc-speaker set
    I put them in the headphone output of the modeling device I've got
    Weird sound when I crack them
     
  20. Stokely

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    LOL I have actually felt the thunder, and more than once! Unfortunately it's been as a pitiful keyboard player that can't hear himself play and sing over the thunder coming from one (or even two) guitarists' amps! :)
     
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