Pono: The Emperor's New Clothes?

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  1. willie k

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  2. pir8matt

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    Seems kinda pointless to pay a bunch of extra dough to listen to music in a format that by definition, human hearing cannot enjoy, but people buy 1080p HDTV's too, and for the most part, peoples eyesight really isn't good enough to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

    Related subject matter - why CD's actually (may) sound better than vinyl:

    http://www.laweekly.com/music/why-cds-may-actually-sound-better-than-vinyl-5352162
     
  3. GuitarGuy66

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    Pretty much. He's selling it, but I'm not buying it.
     
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    I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, the author should, as a former musician, acknowledge that there can be an emotional response to sound waves that cannot necessarily be heard by the human ear. On the other hand, most CD's being made today sound incredible if the underlying recording is mastered well.

    I don't see what the big deal is with the Pono. I've been listening to high res FLAC files for years. Maybe now there will be more high res recordings that will sound great on high res players.
     
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    Is that the Dave Pogue that writes the Dummies books?I like his writing. What he doesn't point out is that iPhone will also spit out 24/96 with a inexpensive DAC. Most of the albums I've bought on HDtracks sound waay better than previous CD versions. I use a FiiO X5 player which I'm pretty sure does everything the Pono does and more. The 'professional sound guy' in the video has a good point, that you probably won't hear too much difference on cheap earbuds.
    Download Yes Fragile from HDtracks, set your computer audio prefs for 24/96, put on some decent phones and tell me it doesn't smoke the CD.
    Our ears and minds have been quantized or dumbed down by mp3's. BTW you can store 256GB of music on the FiiO X5.
     
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    Are there any players that you can't play lossless files on?

    MR. Young seems late to the party.
     
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    I wouldn't expect non-audiophiles to be into something made for audiophiles. I would also probably expect more of them to prefer an iTunes version because that is what they're used to and I suspect there is less brickwalling in the Pono versions.

    That said, no plans here to buy the Pono anytime soon.
     
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    Aha! The old "mojo" argument. Can't beat that.
     
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    Wait, what? How do you respond emotionally to something that you literally cannot hear? Where is the emotional response coming from? From the amount of money you spent on the playback device? :huh

    The big deal is that its hella expensive, does ONE thing, and doesn't really do it better than most commodity smartphones, which are cheap, and do a whole bunch of things.
     
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    Did anyone else read this thread title as:

    Porno: The Emperors New Clothes?
     
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    The cornerstone of the audiophile claim is that there's a "night and day" difference between x and y. If you start off saying, "Well, the difference is so subtle that only trained ears under controlled listening circumstances can detect the difference", then your market appeal dries right up.

    Pono seemed to aim itself at a wide audience, not the "depth of soundstage" guys.
     
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    Kind of like NOS vs new production tubes? ;)
     
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    Brain activity can be affected by inaudible sound. It's called the "hypersonic effect." It specifically refers to high frequency sound waves but I don't see why it could not apply to other frequencies too.

    **also, low frequency sound can be perceived by the sense of touch which can elicit an emotional response.
     
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    I am so flashing back to when I bought me first CD player in 1985. The lack of wow and flutter and no pops and ticks where big sellers for me. I can clearly remember lots of guys saying CD's were the Emperor's New Clothes and that they would never buy one. Here again, on this thread, we have lots of folks who have never heard hi-def tracks, dogging them.
     
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    "Pono" is Hawaiian for "gullible"...
     
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    I think there is a difference but Im not going to pay anyone the kind of $ Neil is suggesting for his player or for the albums.
     
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    Ok, but this is meant to be a personal audio player listened to with headphones or earbuds, right? You're saying it produces these frequencies, that while being delivered directly to the ears are also being produced hypersonically in such a way as to effect the listener in a non-audible way?

    Because if that's what you're saying, I will definitely buy one.
     
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    I've never played a Pono and don't know what it produces so your strawman argument betrays a lot.

    Why don't you google hypersonic effect and psychoacoustics and learn something

    What I'm saying is that inaudible sound can have an affect on the brain. Are you so certain that by removing or compressing frequencies in MP3 files there is not a different effect on the brain than there would be if those frequencies were not removed? Are you that much of an expert?

    I will say that based on my personal experience in my living room through my high end speakers and sound system I can tell the difference between an MP3 file and a high res file.
     
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    Apple already discontinued the iPod Classic, and will eventually be moving to be purely cloud format, leaving portable music players in the dust in favor of pay to play cloud storage.

    That, is the future.

    I'm all for improved sound quality, but the Porno (horrible name btw), and yes I know it's Pono, just doesn't seem to have a market.
     

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