Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by Junk Yard Dog, Jan 2, 2008.
What say you? I'm after the big sound of SD, but also interested in something versatile.
What's wrong with a Big Muff?
Why is the SustainPunch Creamy Dreamer not listed?
Trifecta nails the "cherub rock" "rocket" "today" fuzz tone...
the Sweet Sound Pi Face is what i grab when i wanna get my Pumpkins on... or something similar
Well, I did searches on the three gear forums I usually go to and under fuzz, pumpkins, etc...I these were the pedals that came up the most.
I looking to purchase one, new (unless it's a Mayo) and that's why I used these pedals...And that's also why I used other, so people could suggest something I may have missed.
Thanks for responding!
Definitely the Mayo. That pedal was made for Siamese Dream.
He said in interview in the late '90s that he used a Big Muff into a Twin Reverb. He said it was the ultimate rock guitar sound. I remember this very clearly.
Right - it's what Corgan used reportedly.
Nothing, if you're absolutely sure of which specific unit of which specific model from which specific year you're talking about. Though, it's true most any Big Muff can get close.
I have a new Little Big Muff, which can get definitely get close to the sound, but my Mayo nails it.
SD = Big Muff (or alike, I used a DOD classic fuzz) into low input of JCM800 head w/ KT88's (6550's work good too), master vol. cranked using preamp vol. to control overall volume. This will get you the range of fuzz tones off the album. Never saw or heard the Twin thing...
In a pedal, Creamy Dreamer or Mayo.
Didn't Billy also make liberal use of the Marshall JMP-1 preamp on that album, as well as creative mic placement?
I have video of the SD sessions and he's using a few JCM800 50 watt heads...Sustain Punch Creamy Dreamer will get you there no problem.
I've never heard this before. I've always heard Marshall stacks with KT66 tubes.
I voted for the MJM Foxey nails "Cherub Rock" or "Today" tones easily.
+1. They also had some Fender Blender pedals in their arsenal.
BTW - anyone who thinks they can get the SP sound from a pedal is on a long road to nowhere. The TRUE SP sound comes from double tracking upon triple tracking, upon quadruple tracking, etc. It's no one thing.
I don't think they used a Fender Blender on SD. In fact, I am pretty sure they only used one a tiny bit on Mellon Collie (in XYU).
I think, as others here do, that SD era smashing pumpkins = big muff -> Marshall loaded with KT66s multitracked to hell.
That said, a Mayo will get you reasonably close, if you have a marshally amp you can crank the $h1t out of.
The Gold Standard:
Yes. You can hear that on the albums too definitely. He had more going on in the studio than just that Big Muff and Twin of course.