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Punk vs. Hardcore

Discussion in 'The Sound Hound Lounge' started by Machew, Jul 1, 2020.

  1. Machew

    Machew Member

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    So it appears tha Punk ended and Hardcore took its spot. I would think they even bled together for a time as well. Let see how we can divide the two. How do we divide divide them? I would think we can agree that Punk came before Hardcore. This not my expertise but I did enjoy both genres, I guess that I'm not so clear the differences.

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  2. Jorge E aka ricv64

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    Well my first punk show was in 78 and every band tried to be different .Some arty some more rawken . Later in the 80's I embraced the short loud fast rulz of hardcore BUT quite often there were bands on the bill that didn't fit that . I remember having my brain blown away by the Butthole Surfers and having to think wait this isn't hardcore but WOW . I saw Camper van Beethoven open for the Dead Kennedys and the Morlocks . CVB was just getting college radio airplay and were well received and were utterly surprised that people knew of take the skinheads bowling . People were calling out for it and Lowery was like ,
    " you guys know that song"
    They didn't play it .
    Red Hot Chili Peppers to me were punk then. Blistering live show . DH from the DK's stage dove to them at the I Beam . Celibate Rifles opening for Butthole Surfers . They played a slow song NO ONE liked and the singer was like ,
    " Oh you didn't like that well here's another slow one "

    I generally just use punk as a vague encompassing for a wide variety of for lack of a better name , Underground music which could go from Husker Du

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    urizen Silver Supporting Member

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    Black Flag v. Husker Du----and where would you put MX-80 Sound*?

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    Husker reminds me more of TSOL than of either Punk or hardcore. I always called them Skate Rock. You can make up anything you want when your 11.
     
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    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    Or vice versa.
     
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    In the New Wave thread, some of these bands were even dependant on which album you were listening to. An example being Ministry. I had no idea they had a NW album, but I had only listened to one of their albums.

    When I think hardcore, what comes to mind first for me is a faster and more refined guitar. And maybe less off key singing?
     
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    I was just moving the order so Black Flag would properly correspond with hardcore in the order of the vs. of the thread title. I can't imagine people generally think of Black Flag as anything else.
     
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    Black Flag=punk
    Bad Brains=hardcore
    Maybe?
     
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    examples from just one club but the average mid 80's like Cinderella , Survivor or Cameo fan would call these bands punk I think
     
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    I would have called this punk.
     
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    .....or......?
    J. C. & the Contortions???

     
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    Tend to associate them with "No Wave."
     
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    This would be the quintessential hardcore sound I would think of.
     
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    Black Flag isn't a hardcore band?
     
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    Loved these guys!
     
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    Be Bop Daddy oh
     
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    I would have put them in the punk category. Not fast enough.
     
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    Interesting. I tend to think of Ginn and co. as one of the first hardcore bands.
     
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    I 100% agree. Black Flag is a hardcore band. And, yeah, one of the first. Between Ginn starting SST, and the constant touring, they kind of made the mold, actually. The DIY thing was a real rupture between punk and hardcore. To almost any hardcore band (Husker Du and Dag Nasty may be among the few exceptions), the notion that they would ever be popular and sell records was pretty much insane. Whereas the two seminal punk bands, the Pistols and the Clash, both went for the brass ring.
     
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    @thewalkingboss can help us here...

    From the other Punk thread...

    was a college radio DJ back in the '80s. These bands you listed were not really "punk". They were "hardcore" or "post-punk". Punk started and ended with the Sex Pistols and the Ramones etc back in the mid '70s.

    This would mean that I was too young for Punk and everything I listened to is all considered hardcore. Then yes Black Flag is hardcore.

    EDIT: The above statement from thewalkingboss is what got me thinking "What is the difference"?
     

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