Question about Pedal order and buffer

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  1. Suarkttam

    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    I am only about 8 months into my first pedal board. (this is the third incarnation), and while I am thrilled with the sound and feel I've settled in on the pedals, I am not totally familiar with the order I should have them in AND where a possible buffer pedal should be placed should I add one. This is how I have my pedals configured right now, and I'm going to wire it all up soon.

    The signal path would be as follows:

    Silver Machine MKII Wah > Subdecay Proteus > Polytune > Spaceman Effects Gemini III > VFE Distortion3 > Sereo WET > VFE Blueprint > Boss RC-3

    Like I said, my question is two parts. 1) Is that a good signal path order (and if not what/why should (it) be different. 2) If I were to place a buffer pedal in the chain, where should it go. I keep reading that it shouldn't go before a Fuzz. (but I'm not totally clear why)

    Thank you very much for any info. I have to believe this is a better place to ask than someone behind the counter at GC looking to sell me something.

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  2. DGTCrazy

    DGTCrazy Moderator de Emporio Staff Member

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    A "good" signal path is one that sounds "good" to YOUR ears. Sure...there's some tried & true formulas...but the best way to find out is to experiment.

    Now the "general" rule for the Entire Chain is something like:
    Guitar
    Compression
    Equalization
    Wah/Pitch Shift
    Distortion
    Modulation
    Delay
    Reverb

    .......but things change depending on By-Pass capability, Buffer needs, and how the amp "reacts". Bottom line; Don't be a Lemming.....!
     
  3. jb4674

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    So I have a couple of questions...:

    1. Why do you think you need a buffer? (Give me an honest and technical answer, and don't say something like "well, my friend said I needed one")

    2. Are you satisfied with the sound of the chain as it is right now? If the answer is yes, then there's no need to change it.

    If I were to change anything, I'd simply put the tuner before the wah, followed by dirt boxes, delays and modulation pedals. The RC-3 can stay at the end of the chain. Remember, there's no right or wrong way of approaching a signal chain. If you like how it sounds, then consider it done :)
     
  4. Suarkttam

    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    To answer the question about why I need a buffer. It is mostly because I started reading about buffers, and did the test of playing through the chain and playing direct into the amp, and I really did feel that the tone was not quite as "round" or "deep" through the chain. And also, I wasn't sure if a buffer would help clean up the sound of the played back loops which don't sound as full as when they are played originally.
     
  5. guitarslinger21

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    buy a This1smyne mini Buffer for $40, and find out.

    and yes, IMO, it will help.

    yeah, your pedal order looks fine, too.
     
  6. Suarkttam

    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    Thank you so much for the lead on that buffer. I'm wondering if I could ask you what the rules are regarding where it should be placed in the chain.
     
  7. Suarkttam

    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    bump for any other input
     
  8. guitarslinger21

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    There are no rules.

    I like it first in the chain (guitar---->buffer).

    any non-buffered pedals between the buffer and guitar are going to "degrade"(I use that term loosely) the signal.

    some pedals supposedly react negatively if they receive a buffered signal, but I haven't found one yet.


    Just buy the thing, and try it in every spot. It's not going to hurt anything.
     
  9. Suarkttam

    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    Thank you. Already purchased. Looking forward to experimenting.
     

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