Question for Jack Zucker

Discussion in 'Playing and Technique' started by Rock Fella, Oct 25, 2004.

  1. Clifford-D

    Clifford-D Member

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    I thought it was Cm9/Eb (Ebmaj7)to F#13 ???

    That's where Stevie finds like one note
    to milk till those changes are through.
    If he only understood a little more theory.

    Jack how would you play through those changes
    It is an odd little move

    Cm9/Eb | F#13 |

    I've always thought of this tune as a series of II V I's

    Em A7 | Dm/F G7 | Cm/Eb - and then the V is abandoned
    in favor of

    F#7 B7 | Em | - another II V I


    Not to derail the thread, Stevie has been ok in this thread.

    A good tune to use SOS on with all those changes :)
     
  2. GtrWiz

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    Wow I don't think I've heard so much analytical BS since I graduated from Berklee...

    Clams?!?! I had to bust the song out after reading that one... Does anyone remember that the song was supposed to be about his coming out of the darkest period in his life? Stevie could have made those changes, or as someone else mentioned, punched in over any rough spots. Considering the spirit of the song, his playing is perfect.
     
  3. Clifford-D

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    I'm not really talking about Stevie playing it, Stevie is great and will always
    be great. What a great gift he gave us.
    And I'm not talking about a period in his life.
    I'm not really talking about Stevie.

    But it is true that a gifted listener can hear when someone is playing with
    ease and reckless abandon and they can hear when that same player
    is in a harmonic territory that is "unusual".
    In Stevies case I truly believe when that Cm7/Eb to F#7 he grabbed a note
    or three that were "safe" and in great Stevie style, he rode the harmonic
    wave with them.

    And I don't think they were clams either. They were "chosen"notes.
    He made those notes cry.
    Good solution.
    I dont think Stevie thought of the tune as a decending series of
    II V structures. If he did have that harmonic knowledge
    man, that would have been very cool.

    Scott Henderson???

    Yea, he's got it.

    Robben?? Duh
     
  4. jzucker

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    Just got back into town. I'll reply to this thread in more detail. But over the Ebmaj7 chord, SRV is running E blues scales. SRV is one of my favorite players ever but he was definitely out of his element there.
     
  5. Clifford-D

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    I agree but he would always perform this tune live.

    Stevie heard something he liked I guess :)
     
  6. GtrWiz

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    It's one thing to not like the way someone played, but to say he was "out of his element" implies that he he couldn't handle the changes which is what I call BS on. Anyone with an intermediate ear could hear it, we aren't talking about Giant Steps here. He was only one fret off from "correct" notes, so there had to be something special about the performance, in his opinion, to not only leave it alone, but release it as the closing statement to his most personal record. Music is about self-expression right?
     
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    So why can't you? I've transcribed enough SRV and Coltrane to know the difference. He was a great guitarist but he wasn't God.
     
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    I do hear the parts that you're talking about, but what I'm saying is that there are other qualities in his performance that go beyond "correct notes" that make it a great piece. As mentioned he could have fixed anything he wanted. I'm sure his ear was more than developed enough to hear the changes...

    Perhaps we should agree to disagree and end it right here, coz I dig your books. :RoCkIn
     

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