Question on WCR pup instalation

Discussion in 'Luthier's Guitar & Bass Technical Discussion' started by JUS1BEER, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. JUS1BEER

    JUS1BEER Member

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    Good Morning Gear Heads....I am putting these pup's back in a 2-Humbucker,1-volume,1-tone, three way toggle switch and it has gotten hazey on which lead goes to the toggle switch. Or does it matter as long as they are in phase.

    This is a three wire pup. Black, red and bare(not insulated)

    I think the black goes to the toggle and the red and bare wires are grounded. I know it has something to do with start and finish of the winding of the two single coils to form the humbucker, but what is the start of a WCR Goodwood.

    This is a great sounding PUP that I have had in this guitar before, but I did not wright down how I wired it. Any help is appreciated, I guess I could try both ways and see what sounds better, but thats a pain.
    :jo
     
  2. Jack Briggs

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    Shouldn't matter so long as you do it the same for each pickup.
     
  3. JUS1BEER

    JUS1BEER Member

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    Well, Hmmm I tried both and there is a definite difference. With the red being the leads to the toggle and the black grounded the neck pup sounded to my ears better, I mean real good like a jazz box. The bridge sounded good ... with a a different kinda off a twang to it, not bad.

    The other way with the black being the lead to the toggle and the red grounded the bridge sounded real good, better, and the neck pup sounded good.

    I know the height adjustment is key. I will play around with it with the black being the leads as that is the way I have it hooked up now, and over all the middle position sounds funky good.

    But man with the red being the leads that neck sound was good...easy fix. I did not think it would make any difference and I did play with the height adjustment in that position (red being the lead).

    Learn something every day...thats all I need more chocies, gotta love it.:RoCkIn
     
  4. CAFeathers

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    Why not contact Jim and ask him in person? His contact info is on his website www.crcoils.com
     
  5. Jim Wagner Pickups

    Jim Wagner Pickups Member

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    For a 2 conductor + ground, red is hot, the other 2 are ground. You can reverse the polarity of either pickup by swapping the red and black with either a soldering iron, or a push-pull switch.
    The bare twisted wire should ALWAYS be grounded (It is the chassis ground).

    4 conductor:

    Bridge Pickup: RED Mark on back of chassis.
    Black (start)and Red (finish) are the Screw Bobbin
    Green (start) and White (finish) are the Slug Bobbin

    Neck Pickup: BLUE mark on back of chassis.
    Black (start) and Red (finish) are the Screw Bobbin
    Green (start( and White (finish) are the Slug Bobbin

    For normal humbucking operation, Red and White are connected
    to each other, Black is hot, Green and Twisted Ground are
    both Ground.

    To reverse middle-position polarity, flip the magnet in the Bridge (or Neck) Pickup
    from neck-to-bridge, NOT end-for-end. Just SLIGHTLY loosen the 4 little
    brass screws on the bottom of the chassis 1/2 turn, and slide the magnet
    out the only end it CAN come out.. Roll the mag neck-to-bridge,
    slide back in, and re-tighten the screws

    To split, the Red and White connection should be grounded by the switch you
    are using for splitting purposes.
    :D
     
  6. JUS1BEER

    JUS1BEER Member

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    Thank You Jim, cleared it up for me. I actually have it wired now with the balck as hot and the red and bare wires grounded and it actually sounds good, just got back from rehersals and all went well. I will change it back with the red being hot and the other two grounded. I had it that way at first and the neck was just killer sounding and the bridge was good I just needed to tweak it in better. Your pups have a longer leg than the ones I had in there so I had to drill a hole where the adjustment screws are on the bridge pick up and I have a lot of height control now and I am sure I can dial it in.

    I had another brand pups in there and I had to flip the leads (hot), one pup with red hot and one pup with black hot to be in phase. But your Goodwood was in phase, I will write this down so I will have it. Thank You for one very nice product and I appreaciate your ear and talent.

    I had sent you a email a few days ago telling you I had almost convinced my wife that I would have to buy another set from you because I could not remember how the wiring went ... almost worked:BEER Thanks again, Allen
     
  7. Jim Wagner Pickups

    Jim Wagner Pickups Member

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    Strange, it usually works with wifes at least once.......:rotflmao

    Trust me, I get that ALL the time. You know, like "send it to my work instead," or " Send it to my friend's for me," etc. Almost like dealing dope sometimes.......:Devil

    If you have it all in phase, it won't make a difference swapping the red and blacks, so maybe you don't have to waste the time, and just play the damned thing instead....:D

    Thanx again Allen !!!





     
  8. JUS1BEER

    JUS1BEER Member

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    Thanks Jim,
    Yeah that almost worked except she caught me rewiring the thing and said it sounded good to her, she couldn't understand why I needed another ^&%$$ (busted).
    I rewired the pups last night to quote correct wiring and did a much more pro job, shrink wrap, the whole nine yards and it works great. With my fat fingers I had disconected the cap to my tone somehow and fixed that. To my ears it did make a little diference in sound but I am kinda "Monkish" when it comes to little things :NUTS

    She is sounding great after tweaking heights and pole adjustments. Makes my PRS have a greart PAF sound ....eactly what I wanted. She is singing now it is amazing what a little adjustment can do ...throw the instructions away and just listen ...sweet. Thank You :AOK
     

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