Rat-like pedal with more chunk?

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Recently tried one of the cheaper Rat clones again and I love the aggressive nastiness, borderline fuzz tone and how it sits in a dense mix, but the low end feels so limp - there’s no chunk or power behind any chugs, palm mutes etc. Turbo mode is better but still not ideal - it feels and sounds like a pedal. Vintage mode is particularly rubbish for anything but lead.

Wondering if there’s anything out there that captures the vibe of a Rat but with a more big “amp-like” feel and response to big heavy chords and riffs?
 

jvin248

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Put another pedal in front of the Rat. Boost or distortion.
I have the Black Rat clone in normal mode being fed with a 'golden horse' Klon clone and it makes a huge difference. If you have a Tube Screamer, DS-1, or other pedals they can work too -- trick is you don't need to dime all the gain knobs. Often less than 50% on two pedals is better than either one dimed.

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guitarman3001

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If you're talking about low to medium gain, before it turns into a fuzz, check out the Friedman Dirty Shirley pedal.
 

bulbasaur_85

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I'm not sure if any Rat copy I've seen has a two or three band eq, but I'm sure that would help the low end. I've found the 1981 DRV to have a bid more mid range body and low end versus my early 90's rat.
 

sahhas

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I sometimes use my Russian muff w/ my modes DS-1, it sounds great!!!
 

Gillespie1983

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The RAT, like most distortions, has a bass cut. You can mod your pedal for less cut or find an op amp distortion with an adjustable bass cut.
This. I Replaced the 2.2 uF electrolytic cap (that feeds the 47 ohm resistor) with a 4.7 uF electrolytic cap. Actually, I added a 2-way toggle to switch between the 2.2 uF and a 4.7 uF to be able to keep the original circuit. 4.7uF changes the low-cut to begin at ~720Hz; the 2.2uF starts the rolloff at ~1539 Hz. Be aware that more "beef" in the low end often comes across as woolly.
I like the 2.2 uF sound with Humbuckers and the 4.7 uF with a vintage power Strat. freq formula 1/(2*PI*Capacitance*Resistance)
 

Tootone

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There is another thing you can try... Amp EQ.

It depends on the Amp and Speaker/Cab response but worth a try.

Reducing Treble will sometimes increase bass and vice versa. You just need to experiment.
 

NHBluesMan

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I'm not sure if any Rat copy I've seen has a two or three band eq, but I'm sure that would help the low end. I've found the 1981 DRV to have a bid more mid range body and low end versus my early 90's rat.
Magnetic Effects Lonely Robot has added EQ (bass and treble controls IIRC)
 

cbpickin

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Magnetic Effects Lonely Robot has added EQ (bass and treble controls IIRC)
I have been curious about that one and the new Dual Drive, which is a TS into a Rat. I emailed the builder about getting one today. The DD doesn't have all the eq features though, only a tone knob.
 




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