Ratt vs. Dokken ~ Hair Metal Showdown

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  1. Kallie

    Kallie Member

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    Ratt

    For their October 1984 thru August 1985 Tour

    By August 1985, they had performed '205' Concerts to 1,537,534 in paid attendance
    over a 10-Month period.

    "Out Of The Cellar" sold 2,700,000 albums in 56-Weeks.

    Dokken never hit those kind of numbers.

     
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  2. Kallie

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    Mr. Ratt

    Regarding Robbin Crosby and future wife Laurie Ann Carr.

    Robbin met her in late-1985 in Abilene, Texas.

    At the time, Laurie was waitressing at a bar > 'Chelsea Street Pub' at The Mall in Abilene.

    Robbin {Age; 26 1/2} and Laurie was just about {Age; 20}.

    Laurie had been enrolled at Hardin-Simmons University {Abilene, Texas} as an
    Art Major {Graphic Artist}.

    She was a Freshman for the 1983/1984 year.

    By mid-1986, she moved to California and moved in with Robbin at his house
    on Laurel Canyon Drive.

    By all accounts, Robbin was already heavily into 'drugs', and 'booze'.

    Below, an 18 year-old Laurie Carr {Top Row, Left}

    I guess Robbin Crosby {Ratt} liked them young.

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  3. Kallie

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    Ratt

    May 13, 1983

    One of their 1st performances as 'Ratt'

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  4. Kallie

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    Ratt ...........'Tour 1984' By the Numbers

    * September 14, 1984 ........ Brendan Byrne Area ~ East Rutherford, New Jersey
    Billy Squier ....... support act > Ratt
    Attendance .......... 18,094 {Sell Out}
    Gate Receipts ...... $230,596

    * September 18, 1984 ......... New Haven Coliseum ~ New Haven, Connecticut
    Billy Squier ....... support act > Ratt
    Attendance .......... 7280 {Capacity; 9400}
    Gate Receipts ...... $97,840

    * September 21, 1984 ........ The Spectrum ~ Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Billy Squier ....... support act > Ratt
    Attendance .......... 18,300 {Sell Out}
    Gate Receipts ..... $207,525

     
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  5. Kallie

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    ~ Ratt Stuff ~

    The first time that Robbin Crosby met Juan Croucier.

    Robbin > "We have a Lead Singer, but he sucks."
    Juan > "I can sing. I usually handle the back-up vocals. But I can I lead."
    Robbin > "Let me hear some of your stuff."

    Juan played a few Demo Tapes for Robbin.

    Robbin > "Jesus Christ. You're twice as good as our guy {Stephen Pearcy}."
    Juan > "What do you think he will do if he hears me."
    Robbin > "He'll probably throw you out of the band as soon as you hit the 1st note."
    Juan > "What should I do."
    Robbin > 'Just try not to be too good."
    Juan > "What about when he starts singing."
    Robbin > "Just don't laugh."

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  6. freedom's door

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    One thing i always dug about the first two RATT albums was the way Robbin and Warren created overlapping guitar parts that really worked well together.

    I think Dokken would have been 10x better live if Don had continued to play guitar, but maybe George's ego couldn't handle that?
     
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    Ratt Stuff... hilarious...

    one thing about Ratt and it follows the right time at the right place rule... Stephen was never, ever gonna sing for another band in this world cause the guy not only cannot sing, he has a speech impediment... but I have a genuine appreciation for what he brings to the table... you can "sing" along with Ratt tunes, ripped to the gills, out of tune, whatever and enjoy the almost communal nature of his bellowing...I think the term is..

    Rattastic

    i say Kallie please bring back the bold italic fonts.. much easier to read for us old men
     
  8. Kallie

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    ~ Ratt Stuff ~

    From; Robbin Crosby {Interview; July 2001}

    Stephen Pearcy always portrayed himself as some kind of Ladies Man. He bragged that
    he was banging Groupies 'three-at-time'. That was total Bull****.

    I knew what he was all about.

    The truth is, he didn't even have a steady girl-friend for a long-stretch when
    we were touring. That's when he boozed it up.

    If he did get any chicks, they were the young 15 and 16 year-old dirty ones that
    the Roadies didn't want, or 'Banged-the-Hell' out of already.

    He wasn't hanging out with any Playboy or Penthouse Models like me.
     
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  10. Kallie

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    ~ Ratt Stuff ~

    Robbin Crosby said he was 'Smoking Heroin' big time, right after the
    Invasion Of Your Privacy tour in mid-1986.

    $300 per Day.
     
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    Juan Croucier

    Robbin Crosby called him 'The Cube'. Juan was a Cuban-American.

    ~ Ratt Stuff ~

    Juan toured with Dokken in Germany for 18-Months. And in 1983 was in both
    bands at the same time > Dokken and Ratt.

    As Juan stated in an interview >
    In 1983, Dokken wasn't getting any gigs on a regular basis in the United States.
    Just once a month, here or there. Nothing to write home about.

    Don did have a record deal with Elektra Records, but there was always back-room
    negotiations holding everything up.

    With Ratt, we were getting a lot of gigs on the Strip. And I wanted to play 'live',
    and not sit around on Friday and Saturday Nights waiting for the record deal to get
    completed.

    Finally I said to myself, I want to be a 'Ratt'.





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  12. TubeStack

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    Great thread, very entertaining read. :beer

    I was never a huge fan of either group, but I always liked Ratt. Dokken... not so much.

    To me the differences that put Ratt ahead can easily be seen and summed up in these two videos:




     
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  13. donbarzini

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    I listened to some Dokken today in the car, Under Lock and Key. Just by comparing the music, it seems Dokken was more liked by a male audience, mostly guitar players interested in George Lynch. Ratt had a much wider audience including a lot of women, their music was played on top radio stations, strip clubs, etc....
     
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    Can you explain please?
     
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    Just found this. Pearcy sounds great here singing CCR. Schenker & DiMartini trading acoustic solos. Nice!

     
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  16. Kallie

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    Excellent Post > Mr. Tube-Stack
     
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    My first concert with no parent chaperones was Ratt and Bon Jovi, and believe it or not in 1984 or 85, can't remember now, it was Bon Jovi opening for Ratt.
     
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    '85. bon jovi was supporting their 7800 record and ratt invasion of your privacy. that stage set ratt used on that tour remains one my favorites. even at that age, I knew bon jovi was going to be big. they handled the crowd like veterans. my first concert as well. thanks mom and dad!!!
     

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