Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by nakoshoko, Aug 9, 2019.
Fake all day long
Check out the logo.
That is a 100% Authentic Gibsun.
Definitely not an expert, and my Gibson is not around to check, but I'm having a hard time buying the fact that 'made in usa' in comic sans is normal on real Gibsons haha
I wouldn't chance it. The "Made in USA" stamp and headstock and body shape all look wrong to me.
The pictures you want to see are what's behind the truss rod cover. That and the control cover should be removed. If it is anything than a 5/16" nut, you got yourself a fake. The refinish suggestion as @guitarbilly74 mentioned is a great possibility - could be hiding something, hence the weird "Made In USA" stuff. It is a 1995 LP per the S/N, so it might have even had a refret that got rid of the nibs... The knobs look correctly positioned, the bridge not an Epiphone-looking bridge...
My vote is real, but something is definitely fishy with this guitar... As you can see with the additional MIDI pickup, the knob and pickguard - quite possibly the Grover tuners, it's been modded. My 1994 Standard has the traditional Kluson tuning machines, but I'd research what a 1995 Standard has - Reverb, eBay listings... I'm also guessing that the pickups aren't original as well as wiring since it looks like whoever had this wanted it to be something else than a LP it was designed to be. Overall, real or not, definitely not original condition...
Does it stay in tune?
If it plays well, and sounds good, show them why it is not a Gibson and offer $100
You may end up with an awesome beater!
OP, how much are they asking for it?
The seller is asking for 1100 euro.
I will have a chance to try the guitar in a week time probably.
Will look for all the stuff you guys pointed and will remove truss rod cover and control cover and take a look.
That's a god-awful fake. There's something in every photo screaming counterfeit. The first thing I saw was the "fun house" serial stamp with all the numbers tilted this way and that. Didn't need to even see the yellow ink, the bad cutaway, etc., etc. Hope some wide-eyed kid didn't shill out 4 figures for that mess.
The horn and the cutaway are what jumped out at me from the off. The font of the serial number looks a little off. The digit "3" and depth of the stamp in general is kinda wonky.
If in doubt, just walk away. I listen to my instinct. My instinct tells me there is something not right about it.
Guitar Dater is famously inaccurate. Don't count on it, fellows, for authentication of Gibson serial numbers.
TGP has been notoriously wrong more than once at spotting fakes lately so be careful. I won't claim either way but offer the following. My ebony finished 90 ES335 has a stamped serial number very much like the OP picture. It also came factory with Grovers.
OTOH, the made in USA is stamped. My 335 is 5 Years earlier so Gibson may have changed their marking method. They certainly have been known to ink information on the headstock. But that does look different to me. The unclosed O ("u") in Gibson could easily be a dark spot in the inlay. Mine has some variations that pick up light differently and sections appear to disappear. Gibson was doing guitars like this back then. Not sure I ever saw MOTS pickguard but that means nothing. Pics offer a lot of distorted camera angles and as for the uneven numbers? It is a Gibson folks.
It will be interesting to see what Gibson says.
We’re here to help...most of the time...unless you have a relic or like relics, or thing Boogie is better than Marshall, or think MIM Strats are ok to gig with, or think....you get the picture!
Headstock break - ok - so what happened to the logo?
I’d go check out the guitar and gently point out all that is wrong; no need to be argumentative just point out the facts.
That's the new "Orient Express" model.
No nibs= no Gibs
Most likely fake.
Gibson logo is uneven and the “O” looks off.
Serial number font is wrong and numbers are different sizes.
Pickups, if stock, are too squared off.
I can’t tell what’s going on with that bridge. I’ve never seen one like that on a Gibson.
Fret over binding is also a problem. It was only done for a couple years.
They wrote a comic strip, then used the same ink and font to stamp the back of the headstock because it's a joke. Lol.
Here's everything I see wrong for a mid 90's Les Paul:
Logo is hilariously bad
Made in the USA not stamped
Font on truss rod cover is wrong for that year
Lacquer on the binding hasn't yellowed for a 14 year old guitar (implying it's poly)
Binding on that color Standard should have been cream when it was new, that looks white
Finish is still very glassy for a guitar made in 1995, again points to poly
Wrong tuners for that year and model, they should be keystone Gibson Deluxe
I'm assuming the plastics have been changed, they should be cream as well