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Realizing I need a viable backup to my Helx

Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by shred440, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. shred440

    shred440 Member

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    Back in December, my Helix's joystick stopped working properly. It turns out to be an easy fix, but I haven't been able to send it in for repairs yet. That month, I had back fusion surgery and it was hard to do much of anything, so I put off sending it in until I was better.

    Well I'm better now, but apparently, me saying I'm okay to gig means book every other weekend from now to June to my bandmates! Lol! So now I'm looking for a decent economic backup that will work for the period of time that I'm without my Helix. Then, after I get my Helix back, it will serve as a backup on the road.

    I'm considering options like the Amplifjre 6 or the Firebox with an effect unit of some kind, or maybe the Helix stomp. The Helix stomp might be cool to use in a loop with the Helix too, later on. Any suggestions on creating a backup for around $600?
     
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  2. radiolab

    radiolab Member

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    HX Stomp
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  3. Papanate

    Papanate Gold Supporting Member

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    You are already in the Helix Universe - for consistency I would stay with Line 6.

    That's not to say that playing with other stuff wouldn't be fun and exciting.
     
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  4. burningyen

    burningyen Vendor

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    What kind of I/O do you need?
     
  5. LordByron

    LordByron The Dude abides! Supporting Member

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    I've got both the AA6 and the Stomp. Both a great, with their own strengths and idiosyncrasies. My Stomp tends to get more use, as the interface and the models are so much in line with my Helix LT. The consistency is great.

    On the other Hand, the amp models in the AA6 (particularly the Marshall based ones) are REALLY good. And, as someone else mentioned, its fun to have some different tools at my disposal. It's good to shake things up from time to time. :)
     
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    By staying with the stomp you'll more or less reuse all your patches from the Helix! Same consistency and you take out which ever you like for the show!
     
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  7. Baba

    Baba Supporting Member

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    And what kind of footswitching do you need?

    Also, if you’re looking to spend money, a used LT isn’t that far from a stomp, and you’d be exactly where you were, preset and switching wise, with the Floor.
     
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  8. partytrain

    partytrain Member

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    Be careful with the Amplifire. Before you know it, the helix may be your backup.
     
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    For a backup, something like a fly rig that is small, not computer driven and highly durable is what I would look at if I were not just getting a second unit of what I am using as primary
     
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    Buying another modeler would mean one of them is gonna collect dust until the one you like best breaks down. Odds of gear breaking are low.
    Id go for something that adds to your current gear....or holds value so that collecting dust dont cost money.

    If you dont own a combo, buy a used 2 channel combo, gig that and use it to power your helix later.
    If you already own a 2 channel combo and need presets...get a used boss ms3 for effects and ampswitching.

    Idnk..all depends on what you got..and what you might enjoy next to your helix.

    Or upgrade to kpa and sell that helix once its repaired ;) do the math...thats probably cheaper then adding a decent backup.
    Emergency back up you can always do with you phone, AmpliTube, and a 7,- cable from aliexpress ;)
     
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  11. Mayhem13

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    $600?.......Amplifire 12!

    I doubt the Helix will see the light of day after.
     
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    3dognate Supporting Member

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    Amps in the AF3/6/12/Box are great... everything else especially control takes a back seat. I tried hard to dig the AF products having owned 2 AF3s and an AF12.

    Controlling a night's worth of variety cover tune tones efficiently was a real challenge with the AF12. The Helix was easy-peasy. It was never that I couldn't get good tones though. A handful of the AF models are just uncanny, others are pretty darned good and a a few just meh.

    If basic meat and potatoes tones are good enough AF12 is great... having to wing a half a dozen core tones with fx variations for 45+ songs in a night. Well that's a whole nuther ball game. Helix and KPA hit a home run here with Fractal and Boss coming in next with AF at the bottom of this list. (Headrush falls in there some where in between probably)
     
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    Results may vary, have owned Amplifire a couple of times, models are good and on par with Helix IMO. Effects and ease of use on the other hand I much prefer Helix. The stomp though I could not get by with, too few switches.

    I would go used Helix LT for compatability in this case.
     
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    Why not just rent something? Our Long & McQuade stores rent gear by the day, week or month. Would probably cost me $60/month to rent a Helix. Maybe this is an option for you.
     
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    AF 12 doesn’t suffer from “too few switches” IMO. You make a good case with preset compatibility, though.
     
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    I agree that several of the AF models are absolutely awesome! Also, the AF12 has plenty of switches. It's the ability to manipulate your signal path to meet your individual needs where things begin to separate. The AF can do multi-tap delays - but only a single setting per preset. If you use three different delays - you need three different presets to house them. From that standpoint it does get to be about preset compatibility/maintenance. Any tweak you make to your primary preset you have to replicate throughout each copy/instance that houses a unique instance of a specific delay or OD or whatever "one at a time" effect you want to have set multiple ways.

    That is where the Helix/Stomp/LT really shine. It's truly a blank canvas. If you want to run 6 ODs into an amp model - you can. If you want six delays after an amp model - you can. If you want some before and some after the amp model - you can. Snapshots work for a lot of players - I prefer stomp mode - but you have that flexibility also.

    That said - I am an Atomic fan and do really like their products. They fill a market and do it well.
     
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    That wont work as a backup while on the road though.
     
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    Another good suggestion. Here's my backup to my Helix (that is, until I hear a v2 Flyrig, lol):

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'd assumed he's looking for something to use while his Helix is getting fixed. I guess if he wants to keep it that wouldn't work.
     
  20. bdrepko

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    Yep. Part of his original post stated he wanted something that could be used as a backup on the road after he gets his Helix back.
     

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