really hearing your guitar in a band situation

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  1. guitarnut

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    do you ever set your rig up before the band and have a play and feel very comfy - and then when the band starts you feel like you lose the detail and sizzle in your tone? i find it very frustrating. it makes me go into my shell a little playing wise. thoughts?
     
  2. Mr.Hanky

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    FAWK THAT!!

    It should make you come out of your shell. You are the guitar player!
    YOU, are more important than anyone!
    YOU should have more power!
    YOU should be the loudest!
    Who the FAWK wants to hear a friggin drummer piddle and bang away all night anyhow?

    It's all about the guitar!
    Power and volume my friend, POWA and VOLUME!

    Are you feelin it yet?
     
  3. guitarnut

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    i felt that all over. tingles and sexy feelings in places i never knew existed. i didn't think i could turn it up anymore but i will. or go and buy a 100 watt marshall or something. i feel healed.
     
  4. Mr.Hanky

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    Full stacks are your friend.
     
  5. guitarnut

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    i need a new car and a roadie then too. this is expensive therapy.
     
  6. rob2001

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    I find it's a matter of dialing in tones that don't compete with the other instruments. Bass is lost because the BASS player will, and should dominate that spectrum. Highs will be washed out by cymbals, the upper end of vocals and keyboards...thats their territory. We need to live in the mids spectrum. Not always the most forgiving frequencies, and it sounds pretty raw when you play alone, but in a live mix, nothing will cover you up if you have decent mids dialed in. On the other hand, we can't dominate mid-land because thats where the singer lives too.
     
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    mids and treble=clarity
    fat, warm tones are overrated, they sound great in the bedroom but not in a live situation
     
  8. arcey

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    What kind of amp do you play?
    What style(s) of music do you play?
    What kind of rooms do you play?
    Do you mike your amp, and how close to it are you (are you playing to your knees?)?
    Do you have a friend who can stand in the room and tell you how you sound in the mix?
    :huh
     
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    ok - so if i noodle around without anyone else playing i feel the juicy tone and hear all the nuances and the tone feels great and my playing feels fluid. throw some drums on top and even if i'm playing loud i feel like i can't feel / hear the same dynamics in my tone. kinda like when i've recorded with headphones on and an amp in a different room. you just lose something. not sure if i'm making sense.

    maybe it is to do with amp position. definitely today the amp was shooting across my feet. or maybe i'm deaf. could be.
     
  11. IGuitUpIGuitDown

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  12. baimun

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    Amp stand..... and mid knob. :aok:
     
  13. IGuitUpIGuitDown

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    I HATED moving stacks when I was then.
    I wouldn't get near them now, unless they were combos or 2x12s...

    Amp stands are ampier.
     
  14. joel98z

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    +1 get that amp off the floor and get it on a stand that angles it up towards you.. A world of diffrence.

    Do it for me..... Quickly...... Huge.....
     
  15. IGuitUpIGuitDown

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    But then, your hotplate falls off!?
     
  16. baimun

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    Hotplate can sit underneath the amp, between the legs of the stand. ;)
     
  17. IGuitUpIGuitDown

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    Kinky! :crazyguy
     
  18. panoramic

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    2x12 cabs all day forever
     
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    Room set up is huge. Having everyone and thier amps set so there is parity across the room is paramount and difficult.

    For yourself at least , AMPSTAND !

    I only ever practice and often on stage with just a 2x12 cab but in practice for sure , my cab is on a wedge that puts me right on my cone of sound. You don't have to spend much either , for practice I use a simple wedge stand I made from PVC and painted black. Cost like $7 or something and work amazingly well.
     
  20. Pietro

    Pietro 2-Voice Guitar Junkie and All-Around Awesome Guy

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    Guitarists... especially those of you who've played in bands for years... why do we never learn this.

    DO NOT dial in your tone to it's "final beautiful position" by yourself. You are playing in a band, dial it in with them playing...

    Also, get an amp stand and get over it. The amp pointing at your feet thing is way over.

    And drummers... yes indeed... the guitarist is, in fact, who everybody came to hear!

    :JAM
     

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