Red Fang wattage change?

doc

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Anybody have any details on the apparent change in Eminence's Red Fang? They apparently have increased the power handling from 30 to 50 watts. Is this a physical change in something in the speaker, a decision to relabel based on further testing of the same speaker that it could handle it, or what? If its a physical change I'd assume the sound would also have changed slightly. I'd been considering one for a 35 watt amp in a 1 X 12, and probably wouldn't feel safe with a 30 watt speaker.
 

Red Planet

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I noticed this as well but dont know the answer. You think they could have stuck in a note about it on the site.
 

oldschoolguy

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Didn't know that. This is the speaker in the Genz Benz Black Pearl, right? What does that mean exactly? Only that it can withstand more watts full out?
More importantly to me, the impedance would remain the same, wouldn't it. Say yes and I'm happy. (I'm going to use another combo as a speaker cab only and this combo has two 16 ohm speakers meaning it has a total 8 ohm load which is the same as the Black Pearl. I'd have all three speakers going simultaneously. Been worried about actually doing this tho as i'm not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to these things.)
 

doc

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Don't know if its in the Black Pearl, but the impedence shouldn't change. They still are available as 8 or 16 ohm.
 

Curly

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would such a power increase make it a Molar, rather than a Fang? :)

I was considering trying one of these, but if this is true, I'd be LESS interested.
 

VanR

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I would bet the Fang has always been a 50 watt speaker, but now they are specing it as such since Celestion released the 50 watt Alnico Gold. Before 30 watts sounded better compared to the 15 watt Alnico Blue. Just my observation.
 

Red Planet

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I would bet the Fang has always been a 50 watt speaker, but now they are specing it as such since Celestion released the 50 watt Alnico Gold. Before 30 watts sounded better compared to the 15 watt Alnico Blue. Just my observation.

An interesting thought.
 

Rosewood

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Didn't someone recently post about someone from Eminence saying they would not be afraid of putting 50 watts through that speaker? I think it's always been a 50 watter.
 

VacuumVoodoo

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I was at Eminence booth at NAMM, in addition to the 12" Red Fang now rated 50W because old specs were "very conservative" they also had new 10" Red Fang with same power rating. It sounded very good, lots of meat on that bone. Perhaps a little bit lacking bottom wise on cleans (could be the box it was mounted in) but OD was just perfectly medium rare and succulent. I liked it a lot.
 

doc

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So, Alex, you're saying that it definitely is the same speaker physically, just relabeled with a higher wattage due to their assessment that the previous rating was too conservative?
 

VacuumVoodoo

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So, Alex, you're saying that it definitely is the same speaker physically, just relabeled with a higher wattage due to their assessment that the previous rating was too conservative?

Doc, I'll be talking to guys at Eminence on Monday and will ask to make sure.
Don't want to confuse anyone.
 

Red Planet

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Thats odd because Eminence's have allways been rated very Liberal. If it says 75 watts dont hook it to a 75 watt amp thats clean then dime it.
 

doc

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I may call them as well. Thanks for the input so far. A related question - I had been using a Celestion Blue with my TW clone through an attenuator and I'm looking for a similar sound at higher volume with the same amp through a Fang. My understanding is that the Fang holds together pretty well until its really pushed. What I'm hoping is that it just starts to compress well at about 35 watts but is not too mushy - I want some speaker distortion but not so much it loses too much articulation. Think this'll work out?
 

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My understanding is that the Fang holds together pretty well until its really pushed. What I'm hoping is that it just starts to compress well at about 35 watts but is not too mushy - I want some speaker distortion but not so much it loses too much articulation. Think this'll work out?

I pushed 2 Fangs with a 50 watt 6L6 head, and the compression was too severe to come through a band mix. The highs came through, but not much else.
 

doc

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Talked to the Emi guy this morning and he confirms that its the same speaker with a revised wattage rating.
 

Jwoo

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Arghhh I wanted one for my Hot Rod, but that is 40 watts. So I ended up buying a governor.
 




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