Red Rock Arches Graffiti

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  1. music321

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    Yet this is art:

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    What's the difference? A few thousand years.

    I'm sure that the park service will remove the stuff from the first pic. If it were left in place, however, people would pay good money to see it in three thousand years.
     
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    Somebody needs to go in the stocks for a while.
     
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    Tom CT Old Supporting Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Don't kid yourself.
     
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    Here's some graffiti from Capitol Reef NP.
     
  5. stevieboy

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    Interesting point, not without merit, but of course there is a difference between then and now. Not in whether it can be called "art." But rather in the society and time that the people doing it live in and their relationship to the land, and their purpose in doing it. Of course we have to speculate to a degree on the purpose of the ancient ones, but I don't think it was along the lines of "Kilroy was here." I think we generally accept that the old ones were done out of a respect for nature, while the new ones show a blatant disrespect.

    I also don't consider someone just writing their name to be art, but some graffiti I do see as art, sometimes very good art.
     
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    If I can read it, it ain't rock art.
     
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    Next time I chisel in my name and the date on a rock I'll be sure to do it with Chinese characters ... or maybe Egyptian

    ;)
     
  9. Amplifier Owner

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    seems like a very tiny segment of the human race will be considered persona non grata in the archives of history, and unfortunately, we're in that segment.
    dammit! :jo
     
  10. Madsen

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    just make your graffiti look like this & no one will care ;)
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    If you carve on a rock in the middle of nowhere that's not private property or a state or national park, that's one thing. I still would never do it. But carving on rocks in an existing national park or place under historic preservation protection is flat out vandalism and should be vigorously prosecuted. I haven't seen too much of it in national parks in the US, but it's really bad in a lot of Germany now. Drives me crazy to see such amazing works of architecture defaced by idiots.
     
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    I am in the graffiti is not art camp - graffiti on the Arches is criminal -
     
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    I've been rewatching the PBS shows on the creation of the National Parks, and enjoyed the part about how in the early days of Yellowstone, when there was a tourist hotel right near the geysers, if someone wrote their name on the geysers, US soldiers (the only form of protection in the parks back then) would go in and find them in the guest book, and drag them out of the hotel and force them to erase their graffiti!

    The incredible greed on the part of developers that is portrayed in the shows makes me realize how fortunate we were that our natural wonders were not completely destroyed. Dams planned in the Grand Canyon, grinding up the Petrified Forest for construction materials (that was happening before it was named a national park!)...etc.
     
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    'Graffiti art' is a contradiction in terms.
     
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    And six months in jail with a $5000 fine.

    The people doing that ten thousand years ago were not defacing a national landmark.
     
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    We don't really know that ..... maybe they were just pranksters ... maybe they got in a butt load of trouble for defacing a sacred rock face or something

    The petroglyphs nearest me are drawings in the smoke stains on the walls of sheltered areas ..... maybe they were drawing pictures to chase away evil spirits while they slept ... maybe they were bored and drawing pictures in the ash stains was just for the fun of it

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    Obviously you haven't been to the Tchoupitoulas wall...
     
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    There are some amazing graffiti artists. I'm in the process of finishing a new music room and would LOVE to have a good graffiti person do one of the walls.
     
  19. astainback

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    Draw on your own house/building/rocks.
    That is how I feel about it.
    If you are not adding to it, leave it alone.
    Graffiti is BS.
    If it is real "art", ask for permission.
    Or ask to get paid.
     
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    Don't like it but what did you do?
     

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