Red wine for someone who doesn't like wine

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by CoryB, May 22, 2019.

  1. eclecticsynergy

    eclecticsynergy Member

    Mar 17, 2015
    The ancient Romans drank tons of wine, always mixed with water.
  2. Hack Prophet

    Hack Prophet vile mighty wretched

    Oct 29, 2012
    Oregon Pinot Noir
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  3. Rex Anderson

    Rex Anderson Member

    Apr 25, 2009
    Las Vegas, NV
    I have been to France a few times. Spent several days tasting in Burgundy and Champagne, but most of the time in Paris.

    While you may have had a "blush" wine made from Pinot Noir grapes, most wines made from Pinot Noir are not.
    Last edited: May 23, 2019
  4. Guinness Lad

    Guinness Lad Silver Supporting Member

    Nov 11, 2004
    On top a mountain of Chocolate Chips
    Drink grape juice, same benefits.
  5. vicjoy1945

    vicjoy1945 Member

    Jun 6, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    ^^^This !!!!!

    I pour at tastings often and attend many...I tell everyone that I know just enough to be "dangerous." Seek out local tastings and try the wines they are pouring. The tastings are usually free and they give you a great chance to try a lot of different wines without spending $$ to buy a bottle you discover you don't like at all.

    Just taste the wine...if it tastes good then it's good wine...that's all ya really need to know...the rest is conversation. Everyone's pallet is different and everyone has their own "taste sense" memory that wine will invoke. I'm pretty lucky as I get a chance to taste a lot of great wines...both young and old...with friends. We get together every Friday, "brown bag" our wines and try to figure out what the wine is....we guestimate old or new world, country of origin, location, grapes and finally the vintage. Sometimes we're right on...others not even close...but we always have fun !!!
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  6. Bozak

    Bozak Member

    Apr 14, 2010
    I never drink... wine.
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  7. Madsen

    Madsen Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Denver, Co
    Wine lists tend to vary wildly from restaurant to restaurant so i'd agree with the asking for a recommendation within a price point from the waiter/sommelier. I started drinking wine about 13 years ago & often run into labels I've never heard of, there's just so many wines. That video I posted on the first page basically recommends finding words that describe the wines you like then learning what those characteristics have in common be it the region, brand, grape varietal, barrels, ect. This is very helpful when looking for more wines with the same characteristics.

    Kendall Jackson wines are very popular, inexpensive and usually a safe bet. One of my favorites is a red blend called Bogle Phantom. It's under $20 & can be found in lots of wine shops.
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  8. jthomps123

    jthomps123 Supporting Member

    Nov 1, 2006
    Sounds like you ARE trying to impress your table mates?!? If you dont like bad wine, dont bother wasting money on 'good' wine. Just order water and dont be a poser.
  9. hellbender

    hellbender Member

    Feb 20, 2004
    sector R
  10. CharAznable

    CharAznable Member

    Aug 26, 2008
    Leesburg, VA
    Romans invented wine... for orgies
  11. CoryB

    CoryB Member

    Aug 4, 2015
    East of Richmond, VA
    Nope. My table mates are generally my wife, and sometimes my son and his family. I'm not terribly social. Every one of them already knows I'm not the least bit impressive.

    And yes, I always order water. I'm just trying to expand my knowledge.
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  12. Shiny_Beast

    Shiny_Beast Supporting Member

    Apr 27, 2009
    Ottawa Canada
    I only like red wine, and only the stuff that goes down easy. I stick to merlots or cabernets.

    DYNA BILL Member

    Sep 20, 2011
    Can't go wrong with Lancer's Rose.
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  14. Lwilliams

    Lwilliams Supporting Member

    May 26, 2003
    I went through a few. I like Behringer Main & Vine. That has become my goto.

    I also will get Mondavi is I can find Behringer. My third choice is Turning Leaf.
  15. FbIsNotE

    FbIsNotE Member

    Apr 28, 2017
    The Bay State
    This worked GREAT for me!! Not just with wine, but with Scotch / Whiskey too.

    I was lucky enough to travel to the South of France and Scotland. While there I pleaded complete ignorance and dead palate and asked for help.

    Like the OP I never really liked wine. Turns out I like desert wines. Well, I started my journey there anyway and now can easily find whites / Rose' that I really enjoy. Red is still a bust mostly.

    While in Scotland I did the same, much to my embarrassment as my roots go back there. They were pretty blunt in telling me that "Peaty and smokey" being held in the highest regard is not really a Scottish thing.

    Those flavors came from places that were forced to use fire for drying. Many inland varieties used natural air drying and thus have no smokey flavor. It changed my life!!!! Now I REALLY enjoy Scotch, as long as it's not heavily smoked. Thanks Glengoyne!
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  16. chunky48

    chunky48 Member

    Oct 6, 2018
    Dunwich, UK
    Judging by your lack of enthusiasm for beer, it may just be that alcohol's not for you.

    +1 on merlot. Apparently there's some throwaway disrespectful comment in the 'Sideways' movie that depressed its sales for a time but, if you're out and about it will be the most reliable red wine. Malbec is apparently the same grape.

    +1 on what the guy above said about exploring the vineyards of Virginia. Wineries are best visited around harvest-time, 'cos then you get to see tractors with carts full of grapes and people chucking chemicals over the grapes with gay abandon, and you'll get to interact with people who actually make the stuff. Because the singer also worked for a UK/Spanish food business, we part-subsidized a tour of Spain with some industry schmoozing and partly as a consequence now I try to buy wine from towns/regions I've actually been to, it makes shopping decision-making much simpler.

    Is there an Aldi supermarket near you? The European ones have very good wines at excellent prices. Not knowing how US tax system compares but in the UK the rule of thumb is that £5 is the point at which you stop paying more in tax than on the wine in itself, and double that for restaurant mark-up.
  17. shane8

    shane8 Member

    Oct 10, 2008
  18. Achewood_Johnson

    Achewood_Johnson Member

    Oct 17, 2016
    Stephen Potter, an Oxford Don wrote a book back in the 1950's about 'Lifemanship'... or how to get social credit without much work or skill or talent. Maybe some of the attitude he expresses in this bit about wine will help folks when it comes time to order or serve wine in a social situation:



    A schoolboy definition of Winesmanship is ‘How to talk about wine without knowing a Hock from a Horses Neck’. But in fact Winesmanship is itself a philosophy if not an ethic, and can be used in Young Manship, in Jobmanship, even in wooing.

    Winesmanship Basic

    A few phrases and a ploy or two, to get our bearings. Consider the simplest first. If you are taking a girl, or even a former headmaster, out to lunch at a restaurant, it is WRONG to do what everybody else does – namely, to hold the wine list just out of sight, look for the second cheapest claret on the list, and say, ‘Number 22, please.’ Never say the number, anyhow, because it suggests that you are unable to pronounce the name of the wine you are ordering. Nominate the wine in English French, and make at the same time some comment which shows at least that you have heard of it before. Say, for instance:

    ‘They vary, of course, but you seldom get a complete dud.’

    Or simply:

    ‘I wonder...’

    A useful thing is to look at the wine list before the waiter comes and say, ‘Amazing. Nothing here you can be sure of. Yet the food is quite good. But I’ve got an idea.’

    Then, when the waiter comes, say to him, ‘Look. You’ve got a Château Neon ’45 somewhere secreted about the place, I know. Can you let us have a bottle?’

    (You know he’s got it because you have in fact read it off the wine list, cheapest but one.)

    When the waiter leaves, you can say, ‘They keep a small cache for favoured customers.’

    With a little trouble a really impressive effect, suitable for average city-man guest, can be made by arriving fifteen minutes early, choosing some cheap ordinaire, and getting waiter to warm and decant it. When guest comes, say, ‘I know you’ll like this. Should be all right. I got them to get it going at nine o’clock this morning. Not expensive but a perfectly honest wine – and a good wine if it’s allowed to breathe for three or four hours.’

    For Home Winesmanship, remember that your mainstay is hypnotic suggestion. Suggest that some rubbishy sherry, nine bob, is your special pride, and has a tremendously individual taste. Insist on getting it yourself ‘from the cellar’. Take about four minutes uncorking it. Say, ‘I think decanting destroys it,’ if you have forgotten, or are too bored, to decant it. Keep staring at the bottle before you pour it. When you have drawn the cork, look particularly hard at the cork, and, of course, smell it.

    Don’t say too much about the wine being ‘sound’ or ‘pleasant’: people will think you have simply been mugging up a wine-merchant’s catalogue. It is a little better to talk in broken sentences and say ‘It has... don’t you think?’ Or, ‘It’s a little bit cornery,’ or something equally random like ‘Too many tramlines’. I use this last phrase because it passes the test of the boldly meaningless.

    An essential point to remember is that everybody is supposed to take it for granted that every wine has its optimum year up to which it progresses, and beyond which it falls about all over the place. E.g. you can give interest to your bottle of four-and-sixpenny British Russet by telling your guest that you ‘wish he had been able to drink it with you when it was at the top of its form in forty-nine’.

    Alternatively you can say, ‘I’m beginning to like this. I believe it’s just on the brink.’ Or I rather like saying, ‘I drink this now for sentimental reasons only... just a pleasant residue, an essence of sugar and water – but still with a hint of former glories. Keep it in your mouth for a minute or two... see what I mean?’ Under this treatment, the definitive flavour of carbolic which has been surprising your guest will seem to him to acquire an interest if not a grace.

    Alternatively you may admit, frankly, that your four-and-sixpenny is a failure. ‘They were right,’ you say. ‘The twenty-fours should have been wonderful. Perfect grapes, perfect weather, and the vestre – the Dordogne wind. But for some reason or other they mostly sulked. Taste it and tell me what you think. You may like it.’

    Or if your four-and-sixpenny is only two years old and unbearably acid, you can say, ‘Let it rest in your mouth. Now swallow. There, Do you get it? That "squeeze of the lemon", as it’s called...’

    Then, if there is no hope of persuading Guest that what he is drinking has any merit whatever, you can talk of your bottle as an Academic Interest treat.

    ‘Superb wine, but it has its periods of recession. Like a foot which goes to sleep, has pins and needles, and then recovers. I think that was André’s explanation. At the moment it’s BANG in the middle of one of its WORST OFF-COLOUR PERIODS.’

    Watch your friend drink this wine, and if he shudders after it, and makes what we winesmen call ‘the medicine face’, you can say... ‘Yes! You’ve got it? Let it linger a moment.’

    ‘Why?’ says Guest.

    ‘Do you notice the after-sharpness, the point of asperity in the farewell, the hint of malevolence, even, in the au revoir?’ If he says, ‘Yes’, as he will, look pleased.
  19. edgewound

    edgewound Gold Supporting Member

    May 20, 2008
    Southern California
    Our waiter explained it to me, but maybe we simply had a language barrier...or he didn't like an American tourist on honeymoon with a beautiful he fed me some misinformation.:beer
  20. Weathered

    Weathered Supporting Member

    Jun 5, 2007
    It sounds like it was a rose made from pinot noir grapes - those are pretty common out here in Oregon as well. Same grape, different preparation. I used to have a lot of reservations about drinking pink wine, but a good rose on a warm sunny day is nearly impossible to beat.

    I'm likely very biased given that I live an hour from some fantastic pinot wineries, but I will certainly agree with this. Of the stuff that I've seen get shipped cross-country (or at least to MN), Erath and Argyle might be the two I'd suggest. I haven't had a good bottle of A to Z, so can't suggest theirs.
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