Rock vs Jazz.

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  1. fenderlead

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    I had a look at the tv last night and I was changing channels and there is one children's channel that plays jazz overnight and then switches to childrens programs for the day, and I hear the middle of a line solo and within 2 seconds I'm thinking it sounds like George Benson and then about 10 seconds later I hear these dissonant blues cliches and I know it's the Cooker.

    All of the great players can be id'd very easily, Django etc and also in Rock and Classical (I can id John Williams or Julian Bream pretty easily) etc etc.

    I can always id Django as compared to his clones.

    There was a time where I was taking Django stuff note for note but I gave it up after a few months because I didn't want to be an inferior Django clone and the main target for me was to learn things off of Django's playing and not be a Django clone.

    The rest of us exist in a generic way as far as our playing goes.

    What it actually is who knows, personality, a lot of things.
     
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  2. Flyin' Brian

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    Howard Roberts too.
     
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    David Sanborn was another player I took licks off (I also play Alto Sax) and Sanborn has this upper register sound that no other Alto player has IMO, it's unique and I could never get anywhere near it.

    Sanborn' straight ahead 3 chord blues playing is some of the best blues playing I've ever heard and it turns out that he was playing with blues players when in his early teens (Albert King, Little Milton).

    Quotes from Sanborn

    By the age of 15, he played well enough to sit in with legendary blues men like Little Milton Campbell and Albert King.

    "The sum total of what I played was like 'do dum, do dum, do dum,' some very simple part, but it was like I'm doing it," he said. "And the thrill, it was just like electric shock went through my body, and I was hooked."

    At the start of his career in the early 1970s, Dave played on a B. B. King record. And decades later, appeared alongside the blues guitarist at the Montreux Jazz Festival.

    "Like you're in graduate school," he said. "Every note, every attack, every silence is a learning experience, and you're learning about it in a way that you can't learn with words. It's beyond humbling."
     
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  4. Tag

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    Why did you and Sting use jazz musicians??
     
  5. Tag

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    Come on! You posted rock clips up before I was banned! Jamming over backing tracks.
     
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    Sorry Jim!! Not sure how that happend. I think it was Franck who was suppose to be quoted!
     
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    All Right ... fair enough ... I'll concede that to you : 'any good jazz player who also knows to rock'. Deal ? ;)
     
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  8. blueworm

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    I bet that:
    Barney Kessel would have sounded like Barney Kessel
    Charlie Christian would have sounded like Charlie Christian
    Django would have sounded like Django
    Metheny would have sounded like Metheny
     
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    That would have been AMAZING!!
    :p

    Again, this is nit picking and placing wrong people in wrong situations. (Although Django and Metheny could do just about anything) Christian died way to soon, and Kessel just did not have muvh technique. All that aside, any if those guys could easily play rock, and Metheny does.
     
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  10. The bear

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    But according to you Metheny isn't a jazz player...
     
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    Really? Maybe they were so bad that I should have been banned too(both from playing rock and from the gear page).
    I was worse at jazz back then, so maybe I was slightly better at rock.
     
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    I have never heard anything from Metheny that sounded like rock. I can't imagine him playing rock. I love the guy but his distortion and overdrive sounds isn't cutting it.
     
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    Sean...again, here, you are talking about a different topic. Not sure why you cant see the difference. Evans was not saying Joe Pass could pick up a guitar and become a Hendrix clone. Yet again, no other rock player could do that either. This point seems to elude you.
     
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    I have seen him twice, and he played long, varied shows. Both were among the best concerts I have ever seen. The guy seems unable to hit a note thats not loaded with feeling. Sanborn and Benson, more than anyone else, are the two guys who got me into jazz.

    I remember years before I ever played guitar, I loved the sax playing on Bowies "Young Americans". I did not even LIKE horns in rock at that point, but that playing touched my soul. David Sanborn.
     
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    Correct! Lets scratch him from the list!! :p
     
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    I think he refers to American Garage as his 'rock' album.
     
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    You're right... I learned my lesson!

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    I remember you were pissed because Lerner sounded so much better. Your words, not mine. Scott could smoke on those blues/jazz/pop songs. Lol! He posted some fantastic clips, but so did you. And there was a killer jazz player "Sean Purcell" or something like that. I think he was in the air force or army jazz band, cant remember. Great player though. Fun times!! You got really mad at me for saying you should learn more traditional stuff one time. Ha! And now you did and your a monster! Lol!!
     
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    He still around?
     
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    Ha! You used them because you knew they had the skills to do it. I bet Sting wanted the best players too. He got them.
    :beer
     

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