Roland blues cube artist

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  1. Lef T

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    I got to try a BCA at my local music shop yesterday.
    I set it up in a back room and cranked it up,using my trusty Telecaster.
    The amp was stock.
    I would have no problems gigging or playing at home with this amp.
    I wouldn't even be gassing for a tone capsule.
    I liked everything about it.
    The boost is a nice touch and the crunch channel is great too.
    Reverb was very useable.
    At 36 lbs. and a decent price it would be a no brainer for me.
    The BCA was used and the shop owner and I couldn't agree on a price that was agreeable to me.
    I'm on the lookout on the used market.
    I've also tried the Stage and it was excellent also,but I like the extra options of the BCA.
     
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  2. ripoffriffs

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    Despite some people not liking the this amp (I speak only of the artist version), they are a big & quick seller used at reverb.com. I've been watching for a couple of months now. Priced at under $700 shipped, they go quickly.

    As for sounding solid state, smh. If anything, this amp exaggerates sponginess and sag. I'm basing this on owning the amp and using it at all levels of volume, not 15 minute demos at the store or stupid youtube videos.
     
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  3. TA22GT

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    Yes we are allowed not to like something.
    I wish everyone who loves and uses it the very best wishes but it wasn't for me and I knew within 10 minutes.
    That doesn't diminish your tastes or mine either. It is what it is. :)
     
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  4. Jim234

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    Honestly @Barquentine I really like the Bass Breaker 30r. Never tried the 15. Fender are onto a winner, 30 watts two decent channels each with there own EQ. To my ears and back (17kg) hits the spot.

    As for the BCA thinking seriously of going British for the september gigs and installing the New York Blues TC. Time for a change...
     
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  5. Barquentine

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    I said that the amp sounded distinctly solid-state. I had it for two weeks. As far as levels of volume go I thought it got worse the more it was turned up.
     
  6. breogan

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    I am after a drive pedal to use with my BCA. I had the intention to try a Blues Driver, but a Boss OD3 crossed my path and I jumped on it.

    I mentioned that I didn’t particularly liked my tube screamer with the BCA. I must say I have tried it only with humbuckers, so may be that is the issue. My strat needs to visit the tech and then I could try it.

    I have not played OD3 a lot, but I must say I am really enjoying it. Its has a flat character that complements the BCA really well. It is very touch sensitive and dynamic. It has a Marshallesque character to it, but not too modern. It reminds me a lot to the tone in The Extremist album from Joe Satriani, clear and organic.

    I think I am still going to try a Blues Driver, to see how it compares. But the OD3 is a nice one.
     
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  7. Barquentine

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    I've had an OD3 for many years. It's a great pedal. I always take it if I'm not going to be able use my own amp because it's always allowed me to get a decent sound out of just about any amp.
     
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  8. breogan

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    Actually, I have been reading a bit on how to use the TS style of pedals and I am going to give the Maxon another go.

    You should’ve tried it in the BCA!
     
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  9. snow and steel

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    Easy recommendations;

    Super Crunch Box V2;



    Vintage Spec Mythical Overdrive;



    DCW Woodsman;



    Keeley 1962x [this one isn't my clip where as the first three are, but this is very accurate representation of the sound];



    Hope that helps!~
     
  10. TA22GT

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    Have to agree there. Much more versatile than perhaps given credit for.
     
  11. Jim234

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    Still looking for that middle ground but yeah just in the last few days found that a TS or even my Soul Food (currently in the out pile) can be very effective as a boost adding a bit of growl to an edge of breakup amp. I also tried this with my trusty MXR Micro Amp but was not as effective. I cannot for the life of me in all my years of playing understand why I did not do this before doh!

    Mythical OD I would defo like to pick up... pressed the button to buy... no international postage :(

    Super Crunch box is a superb piece of kit, highly recommend.

    Do let us know @breogan where you end up...
     
  12. breogan

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    As ever, thanks so much for this. I am not really attracted by the MIAB pedals, specially the Brown sound ones. That said, the Keeley sound pretty amazing. The MO it is the one that got my attention...
     
  13. breogan

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    I gave the Maxon OD808 another quick round. I played on the clean channel, not tone capsule, gain set at the edge of breakup, tone in, bass 4-5, Mids 3, treble 7 and presence 6 (this is a quite clean, full tone that breaks when pushed).

    I played with the Maxon with my Gibson style guitar with the treble at 3 o’clock with the gain at 0 and volumen maxed. This pushes the clean channel into a nice crunch that still retains clarity and articulation. Then switched to gain at 3 o’clock and lowered the volume to a bit more than unity gain. Here the overdrive from the BCA mixes with the Maxon. Now I got a much fatter tone, less crunchy and smoother.

    In this scenario is when you really see the BCA is no tube amp. When you push a tube amp with a TS, the mid heavy tone from the pedal become something alive. The treble appears from nowhere it is just amazing. This is just not the same on the BCA.

    However, as I said before, it is it not bad, just different. I enjoyed the tone with the Maxon so much and I can see it shine in a band situation, cutting through the mix, with fatness and articulation.

    I think I am going to pause my search and enjoy the tone from the two pedals, the fatness from the Maxon and the clearness from the OD3.

    I might mod the Maxon into true bypass, as I noticed some small change in the treble in bypass that I do not hear with the Boss.
     
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  14. Jim234

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    Yes your absolutely right here, total fan boy of the BCA (as if that was not obvious lol) but there is a certain magic that happens with the right tube amp, right on the edge of breakup and the right volume and then you hit it with something like a TS. Last time this happen to me was with a Marshall JVM at an open mic (we were trying out a few new songs) clean (green) channel, set nicely, just on the edge of break up hit my MXR Distortion III low gain, output just slightly above unity and blam there it was.... The tone was to die for, clarity with a beautifully cutting grit - stuff of dreams. Never forget it. Tried to reproduce it over the years but could never get the Marshall loud enough (50 watt head). The BCA just does not do it. It tries hard but can't quite get there. I keep thinking about Marshall Origin 20, to have ago at scratching that itching but its hard to justify an amp which I don't need particaular when the existing rig work so well plus I don't have spare cash either!

    But yeah very interested hearing your findings with the BCA. Drives the wife mad when I mess around with the pedals (changing the order) swapping them out different combinations. Could be something to do with playing the same riff over and over.... so anyone else's insight is benefical for my marriage. :D
     
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  15. snow and steel

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    There's no magic to the "pushed tube" in and off itself - it's a type of gain. The sound comes more from the circuit than the tube. Don't believe me? I can play you two Marshalls, one running EL-34's, the other 6V6's, with an identical circuit except for the transformer/power components needed to change the tubes. In a band mix - I assure you that you could NOT tell which amp was running what tubes.

    Different amps sound different when pushed - tube, Solid state or otherwise. My 1962 Bluesbreaker sounds nothing like my Allen accomplice when pushed - I have to use the same pedals set completely differently to get the tone I want. Exaggerated high-mids to treble when pushed is not inherent to tube amps - but rather to certain circuits. Most Marshalls, for example, tend to tog et very bloated when pushed [which is why in the 70's and 80's most bands put everything on '10' except bass, which - when going full tilt like that - that often ran at 2 or less.... or even off - PS; this trick still works with most Marshalls]. And a Pushed Vox is a completely different thing all together. It's part of the reason why the ideal EQ on a Fender doesn't work on a Marshall, and neither work on a Vox, whereas a Hi-Watt requires something else entirely.

    Knowing how to get the sweet spot for the best town out of any amp that you may be provided in backline or required by contract is what separates the specialist performer from the weekend warrior. I remember in NY for a long time it seemed like every club in town only had a Roland JC-120 that you had to use - a shock for a lot of people, but equally shocking were the folks who, when given a different amp than the 120... couldn't get it to sound right!

    Pete Thorn has some great videos about amps and their sweet spots that I can highly recommend.

    I reach for the BCA whenever I can choose any amp I want, but I know exactly how to EQ it and how to set my board to get what I want out of it with the guitar and pickups I use. The total sound isn't just the amp, or just the pedals, or just the guitar.... In fact it might be best to think of your entire pedal board like a giant pre-amp that you are putting together to then run into your amp. In the 80's, so many guys used rack mount type systems that power amp gain wasn't desired by a lot of guys - so if you wanted to accentuate your pre-amp tone, you'd want a very clean power amp. Your pedal board and amp can function in a very similar idea.

    Many of my pedals have one set of marks in red, one set in black, and another in green - for different types of amp. Each amps likes different settings.

    Hope that helps!~
     
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  16. bluegrif

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    I have a Marshall Origin 20 head, and it does sound very nice at the right volume. Ironically, for me, that volume isn't full up! I suspect most rockers would be very happy with the Origin cranked through a big cab and it's probably pretty close to the sound you're describing. But I find the complete lack of any headroom at that volume to be rather limiting. In fact, if I were going to stick with an Origin as a main amp, I'd probably sell my 20 and get the 50. I love the sound of it in a small club where I can dial it into the zone, which for me is a nice singing sound that isn't overly mushy or compressed. But a couple weeks ago I used it for two outdoor gigs in a row and I was wishing I had the Blues Cube. The Origin sounded great for classic Marshall roar, but I'm a traditional blues player so while it was great for some things, it was a bit less great for others. Despite everyone else telling me how great I sounded, there were times when I wanted a cleaner, more nuanced tone and it was hard to find unless the band was doing a big dynamic drop. The Blues Cubes, OTOH, can be dialed in to that perfect balance between clean and crunch at any volume I'll ever need. It's one of their many strengths.

    BTW, I also find Klon type pedals to be perfect with these amps. I use it very sparingly, more as a boost, but through the gain channel it can definitely drive really hard if that's what you're after.
     
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  17. Jim234

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    You guys are absolutely right. I would say that I have the BCA and the Hot for that matter set on the sweet spot, although for my taste the Hot edges it a little over the BCA. But that is probably because I tend to back the BCA volume slight down in order I can get a clean I am happy with live (using the guitar volume). But yeah fully appreciate you can get to that spot without melting the paint on the walls which is why I love this amp.

    Its still that middle ground I am looking for though but I think I am going in the right direction now. Klon 100% the way to go, set little to no gain yep check. Right pedal - er not yet... Just sent another one back yesterday MXR Sugar drive. Its OK got it's own thing going on but I think it was no better than the soul food. Plus its a small pedal and I'm not keen particularly when I can't see that well. Mystical Overdrive not an option for the UK. The Soul food is back on the board despite being in the out tray and the reason why its in the out tray in the first place... maybe it will grow on me.
     
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  18. breogan

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    That so much for taking the time to write such nice and informative replies.

    The Klon is now officially on my wish list!
     
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  19. fancychords

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    Try the way huge conspiracy I did and love it. It too is touted as a klon clone mine replaced a gain changer. Give it a shot.
     
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  20. Caprica

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    Beware the klon sounds better in the mix with a band than by itself at home.
     
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