Ryan Adams Dangled Success

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  1. DavidTCIC

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    Ah, the good old rape whistle.
     
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    Is almost as if a bunch of people on tgp are projecting when reading the news because they are bitter with women, and specially exwifes. Unexpected.
    "Yeah **** that woman, she married him so she deserved it, amiright boys?"
    Maybe a few folks here don't really want to admit that he was a manipulative psychological abuser and that he had any rights or excuses to cause that sort of grief and suffering to his partners because the image on the mirror doesn't look good either...
     
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    Since when do we hang people based on allegations? I see JHS dropping connections etc but unless I'm missing something there been no trial. Aren't we innocent until proven guilty? If this does turn out to be lies then there's some serious damage already done, unjustly.

    If they aren't lies then yea, he's got what's coming but until then...
    I wouldn't want my life ruined based on false accusations that's for sure. Don't jump the gun
     
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    Why would 7 women lie about being abused? They are not hiding their names, they are offering proofs and witnesses that corroborate their accounts. RA needs to be tried (and the fbi has announced they are starting a investigation), but do we really need to wait until he is judged to figure out his role in all of this?
    This is not some random anonymous dude on twitter shi.ttalking for the sake of it. We need to find all the truth, but it is clear that these 7 women are not lying.
    Also, does this seems normal coming from an innocent dude?
     
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    Are we certain that success was the only thing he dangled?
     
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    In court. This isn't court.
     
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    This seems to be the quintessential TGP response to allegations of harassment or abuse.

    1. Demand proof beyond a reasonable doubt presented in a court of law before you'll believe the accused male did anything wrong.

    while...

    2. Immediately conclude that the female accuser is an angry woman with nefarious motives based on little evidence other than your own bias

    Can we just recognize that this sort of response may help answer the often asked question of why it can take so long for victims of abuse to come forward?
     
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    Innocent little flowers? You've met too many shrewd females of all ages that cry victim? Seems like you're either a HUGE Ryan Adams fan or you have some woman hating issues. I fully believe that woman can accuse men to get money, fame, etc. But when several woman with no connection to each other accuse a man of doing similar things, you have to imagine that it's at least mostly true. Especially in the case of the nameless underage girl with the thousands of texts to back up her story. What's her angle do you think?
    My guess is you're not waiting for his day in court to make judgement anymore than the rest of us are. You've made your decision. And for some bizarre reason, you've decided to side with the sexual predator.
     
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    You know those countries where the law is that six people have to witness a rape in order for it to be deemed rape? It seems like some in here would relish that type of law.
     
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    Rock stars are not nice people.

    What’s the difference between a pop female singer and a shark?
    Lipstick.

    When I was 15, my 15-year-old girlfriend worked it like a porn star.

    Pilgrims. All of you.
    If you were given the keys to “rockstar city” you wouldn’t be able to open the door, much less navigate the terrrain.

    FWIW- David Gilmour/Kate Bush anyone?
     
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    I don't think the women are lying. But I also don't think they could have possibly gone into a personal relationship with Ryan Adams as naively and as pure-intentioned as this article manages to suggest.

    The underage allegation though, is a much more serious thing...a potential criminal case. From a journalistic standpoint, isn't that really the story here?

    But for some reason the headline is about how he didn't follow through on career promises?
     
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    Sure. But however you define masculinity, it has to involve acting in ways traditionally thought to be manly. When I think of RA, manly or masculine are not words that come to mind. That is why I gave the Sean Connery example. That guy exuded masculinity.
     
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    Not according to webster

    masculine
    adjective
    mas·cu·line | \ ˈmas-kyə-lən \
    Definition of masculine
    (Entry 1 of 2)

    1a: MALE //masculine members of the choir
    b: having qualities appropriate to or usually associated with a man // a masculine voice
    2: of, relating to, or constituting the gender that ordinarily includes most words or grammatical forms referring to males
     
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    My question is why is the FBI doing an investigation? Certainly there are far more serious events going on that they should be focusing their attention on. I have a friend who works for the local police department and asked about this and they said when they come across situations like this they handle it. The FBI isn’t even in the equation.

    The only crime committed here is his communication with a minor. Yes, he did ask her repeatedly about her age to which she lied and said she was 18. That’s good for him. BUT...he also asked to see proof of her age via ID which she didn’t provide meaning he wasn’t certain she wasn’t under age. That’s bad for him.

    As for dangling success...typical male with some power but it isn’t a crime. Showing your junk to a 14 year old is.
     
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    You're right this is kangaroo court, presided over by a bunch of guitar wankers who pass judgement in complete ignorance of any proof. Other than that glaring injustice, let's carry on as usual.
     
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    I don't see how that contradicts what I said. Loud. Jacked. Aggressive (not passive aggressive). Confident. Qualities usually associated with manliness.

    RA' persona was not a masculine one. Compare him to Johnny Cash. Or Steve Earle if you want a contemporary. RA was on the "emo side" of No Depression Americana.
     
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    Those of you calling for due process have your wish: the FBI has opened an investigation into the “sexting with a minor” aspect. Also his album is now on hold and more women are coming forward.
     
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    Nailed it.
     
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    It is not a stretch to think that the 14 year old could well have "asked for it." The point of putting kids off limits is that what they ask for or want or think they want is irrelevant.

    In the article I read with Lori Maddox, she more or less mocked the idea that at 14 she should have been necking with high school kids in cars rather than sleeping with A list rock stars in fancy hotels.

    The 14 year old could well have felt important, noticed, beautiful, or any of a dozen other emotions that would cause her to do this stuff.

    You don't need an offense like "statutory rape" if you are dealing with real lack of consent ("rape rape"). (I get that is solves a lot of proof problems, though).

    I have not seen it, but it sounds like that movie out now where a girl looks back to her time as a kid having sex with her riding instructor, which she described in her diary as a wonderful, special thing, and comes to realize how badly she was being used, highlights this nicely.
     
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