Safety when working on an amp?

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  1. ari

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    This may be a stupid question, but won't a pair of insulating gloves (such as rubber) help prevent electrocution when working inside an amp? I always wondered why techs work with bare hands...

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  2. Mark C

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    That is a damn good question. Any pros got an answer?
     
  3. Swarty

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    It would be like playing a guitar with gloves on. Just discharge the filters and there are no worries.
     
  4. John Phillips

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    I do wear gloves :).

    Suede-palm, cloth-back - the sort of thing sold as lightweight outdoor work gloves. I get them in a small size so they are tight and I can feel what I'm doing. I'm so used to them that I have very near the same level of dexterity that I did without.

    I started wearing them because I have a skin condition which is drastically affected by working on amps - some more than others, it seems to be mainly due to the different types of solder fluxes, chassis coatings etc. After twenty years of amp work I am very sensitized to it.

    But not only do the gloves help stop that, they also prevent soldering iron burns, cuts from sharp bits of wire and other metal parts, and to some extent shocks!

    But I'm not recommending wearing gloves to stop electric shocks. Firstly, I'm not sure they would - not at the 500V+ often found in tube amps - or at least I wouldn't rely on it. Secondly, preventing shocks is mainly about careful, safe working practices. You should get into the habit of this anyway. Not only for personal safety - if you short out something inside an amp in a similar way to something that would give you a shock, you risk serious damage to the amp, and your tools.

    Safety is about knowing what to touch, with what; how to clip test leads on so they don't slip; how to drain caps, etc... in other words to avoid accidents, rather than prevent the consequences. Not that the gloves don't give an extra layer of protection - they do. Just that it's important to work as if you aren't wearing them, even if you are.
     
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    what about laying down a kinda of rug made of some sort of thick rubber/plastic/linoleum or something? that would help too right? and in fact, if it thick enough (perhaps impractically thick though...) couldn't it theoretically stop any shocks...? i never did physics at school i'm afraid... so bare with me.
     
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    A rug would do no more than wearing shoes would. Most shocks occur between a voltage source in the amp and chassis ground.
     
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    John's advice is the best way to look at it. There's no compensating for knowledge and even if something seems "safe" there's always a catch. Gloves aren't rated for 700V (and if they were they'd be extremely difficult to work with in an amp), and anything that separates you from the ground you stand on isn't going to help if a shock travels through your arms.
     
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    I have a GFCI outlet on my workbench that make me feel a little safer.

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  9. Slick51

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    All true, and funny to boot...


    "Safety Tips for Working On Tube Amplifiers

    Safety first!


    Okay, you want to work on your own amps, but you've heard various horror stories about things inside amps that can store a charge and kill you. Well, it's true! However, a little common sense can go a long way when working around dangerous voltages.

    Rules to live by:

    Never work on an amp while talking to someone, either in person, or on the telephone. I have gotten more severe shocks by accidentally touching things while someone was standing there watching me, asking questions. Never work while distracted!

    When probing a live amp, keep one hand in your pocket - it's the current across the heart by way of the arms that kills you.

    Never wear jewelry of any kind on your hands or wrists - gold and silver are highly conductive, and it's a good excuse to use when your wife catches you without your wedding ring on.

    Always unplug an amp before going in to solder something - don't depend on the power switches.

    Don't chew on a length of solder while contemplating your next move - ingesting lead kills brain cells.

    What were we talking about?

    Use a variac to bring up an amp after mods or on new builds - carefully monitor the current and shut it down if it rises quickly at low voltages. Alternately, make a fixture with a light bulb in a socket that is in series with one side of the AC line - if the amp has a major short, the light bulb will light up instead of blowing the fuse or vaporizing your new power transformer.


    A $150 transformer will blow every time to protect a 50 cent fuse - be sure to use a fuse of the correct rating and type! This usually means slo-blo in the mains, and a fast blow in the HT line, rated for no more than 150% of the max current draw at full power.

    Wear safety glasses while working on amps. If you've never seen what happens when you wire in a large (or even small) electrolytic capacitor backwards, or exceed it's working voltage, you're in for the scare of your life! Hint: smoke, tar, and chicken feathers, following rapid explosive decompression and a launched projectile the size of a largish shell casing.

    Never work on amps around small children - you will be embarrassed when they pick up the language you use when you touch live wires.


    When clipping wires or component leads with diagonal pliers, point them away from you - the cut leads fly off with incredible velocities, and can easily damage your eyes - again, use safety glasses!

    Electrolytic (and other type) filter capacitors can hold lethal charges - be sure to discharge them before working on an amplifier. This can be done by shorting the "+" side to the "-" side, or the "+" side to the chassis (unless the cap is in a negative voltage supply, like the bias supply, where you must short the "-" side to the chassis), using a wire or a screwdriver. This will make a big spark and a loud noise, which is sure to impress any onlookers. If you'd rather do it more discreetly, make a jumper cable consisting of alligator clips on the ends, with a resistor in series in the middle of the jumper. Use a value of somewhere between 10K and 100K, with a power rating of 5W or so (a high power rating is not really necessary for dissipation reasons, but mainly because the higher power resistors are physically more robust and won't tend to break). Be sure to adequately insulate the resistor with heat-shrink tubing so the wires aren't exposed, or you'll get shocked while trying to discharge the capacitors. The larger the value of the resistor, the longer it will take to discharge the caps, and the less of a spark you will see. If you use a large value resistor, be sure to leave it in place long enough for it to drain all the charge out of the capacitor (if in doubt, measure the voltage across the capacitor to make sure it is close to zero). Note that many amplifiers will incorporate "bleeder" resistors, which will drain the capacitor charge automatically in a few minutes after the amp is turned off. Don't depend on this resistor to do it's job!

    Be sure to turn the power off to the amplifier before discharging the electrolytic filter capacitors, or you will get an unpleasant surprise.

    Be sure to remove any capacitor-discharging jumper wires before re-powering up the amp, or you will get another unpleasant surprise.

    Get your wife/friend/co-worker/etc. to take a CPR course. Don't argue if they ask you to pay for it.

    Tubes get hot, it's their job, especially power tubes. Don't touch them.

    Don't install tubes with the power on - if the glass breaks, you can come in contact with high voltages. A shock after a nasty cut just adds insult to injury.


    Buss wire looks *exactly* like solder, but doesn't melt worth a damn.

    Never solder in your underwear (don't ask!). Seriously, short pants and soldering don't mix very well. Wear appropriate clothing.

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    Copyright © 2004, Randall Aiken. May not be reproduced in any form without written approval from Aiken Amplification. "





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