Saving Private Ryan Question

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  1. iamdavea

    iamdavea Silver Supporting Member

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    So, I'm telling a co-worker (who rarely goes to the movies) about the poignant ending of Ryan, in which the dying Capt. Miller tells Ryan, "Earn this...earn it." And she got angry and said, "Oh great--just give the poor kid a life-long case of 'survivor guilt'!!!!" I tried to counter by explaining the great sacrifice that Capt. Miller and his men made; first, by finding Ryan, and THEN, by deciding to stay and help defend the bridge. She was having none of it, and couldn't believe I was even trying to see it my way. Question: is she right?
     
  2. guitrr

    guitrr Reverb Junkie Silver Supporting Member

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    No, she's dead wrong. No pun intended.
     
  3. Scott Miller

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    According to the outline of the argument given here, I think she's right. What else could he possibly have meant? On the other hand, Private Ryan didn't have to stay and defend the bridge either, so it's a little ambiguous.
     
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    In before the lock (and load).

    But seriously, per the OP, she should consider the reason they went to get him in the first place: Because his other three brothers were KIA, leaving him as the last survivor. That's much more likely to effect him in the years coming than Miller's last moments. Not to mention the entirety of the war experience.
     
  5. iamdavea

    iamdavea Silver Supporting Member

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    I think Capt. Miller's message is relatively simple: a good number of very fine men have given their lives in order to save yours. Live a life that honors that sacrifice. Which, in my opinion, is a perfectly legitimate request.
     
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    In context, after getting to know Capt. Miller, "Earn it" wouldn't invoke survivor guilt, it would motivate Ryan to achieve greatness.
     
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    pjrhd28 Silver Supporting Member

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    One of the best lines in the history of movies...

    A curse and a burden, from the mouth of someone dying so that someone else might live. Realize that men died so you could live and earn that tribute. What else would Hanks say? Have a good one??

    IMHO, strong biblical overtones. And I'll just leave it at that.
     
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    84superchamp Silver Supporting Member

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    my thoughts exactly; a motivator, not a monkey on his back. "make us proud"
     
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    Its a general admonition to all who have benefited from the sacrifices made in war to try to live up to that gift, to deserve the sacrifices made on their behalf, to embrace and perpetuate the freedoms those lives bought. Too bad that's lost on people and trivialized as "survivor's guilt" when it's nothing of the kind. Maybe that's why history keeps repeating itself.
     
  10. iamdavea

    iamdavea Silver Supporting Member

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    Actually, you could argue that the only way Ryan gets "survivor's guilt" is if he decides to leave with Capt. Miller, and abandons his comrades to a certain death as those few men try to defend the bridge.
     
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    Well said. I've been to the Vietnam Memorial a few times to pay tribute to my friends who didn't make it. I came home, they didn't. Do the right thing.
     
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    Well said.
     
  13. zzmoore

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    Tell her about the needless A-Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....that'll cheer her right up.! :)
     
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    Here we go. :rolleyes:
     
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    you can't argue with stupid.
     
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    Am I the only one whose ass fell asleep before the opening scene ended? :facepalm
     
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    Then tell her about the 'needless' bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan...
     
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    And the needless rape of Nanking


    :tapedshut
     
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    Was the "opening scene" riding the Higgins Boats onto Omaha.?
    I know several guys that think that was The Best part of the movie.
    Did you think it was too long, or something.?
     
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    She needs to watch the movie and then maybe she'll understand.
     

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