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Scumnico, Celestion Blue or Gold?

btdvox

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Trying to figure out what speaker to buy. I have a 2X12 coming in that will have one Greenback in it. What will pair best: Scumnico, Cele Blue or Cele Gold?

Power will be halved I believe in a 2X12 so the Blue is still an option (amps will be Kingsley Tonebaron, Morgan SW50 and AC20 Deluxe, ranging from 10-50 watts attenuated)
 

Cirrus

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Only go for a Blue if you know you'll never put more than 30 watts into the 2x12. They are quite conservatively rated but it's an expensive mistake if you do blow it.
 

Heady Jam Fan

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I would go with the Gold.

Alnico is tricky - I find there is a sweet spot in the volume they see. They work great in amps that have a similar sweet spot, but sometimes not as well if under or over powered - which is innevitable in amps with a good MV.

Also, Alnico is really expensive so there is no point in buying a clone of a Celestion Alnico unless you get it used at a good price. Celestion sounds better than most clones IMO and holds it value very well (a new Gold 12 at Avatar is like $250, they sell used for like $220). Although I think I did see that Eminence Red Fangs were a bit cheaper than they used to be... WGS's Blackhawk is the best clone I've played though.
 

ledzep618

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I'll be the first to say that I don't see a Greenback/Alnico pairing being that good. You'll just have a lot of mids, not much low end and a sensitivity difference of 2-3 dB...probably won't even hear the Greenback's contribution from 5 feet away.
 

Heady Jam Fan

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I'll be the first to say that I don't see a Greenback/Alnico pairing being that good. You'll just have a lot of mids, not much low end and a sensitivity difference of 2-3 dB...probably won't even hear the Greenback's contribution from 5 feet away.
Good point about the sensitivity. A G12H30 rather than G12M might work better in that regard. Although, they also sound different...
 

vanguard

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I'll be the first to say that I don't see a Greenback/Alnico pairing being that good. You'll just have a lot of mids, not much low end and a sensitivity difference of 2-3 dB...probably won't even hear the Greenback's contribution from 5 feet away.
good point on the sensitivity issue. i didn't even think about that.
 

blackba

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Depends on what you want sound wise. If you want chime and are prepared to do the break in work, than go with the celestion alnico gold. If you want a bit smoother speaker, nicer highs and a sensitivity that will better match the greenback, then go with the Scumnico, who offers a full break in service.

I would not consider the Alnico blue since the power handling is not sufficient for all your amps.
 

jayn

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For sensitivity, Scumnico is the best match. But, I think a Scumnico is too similar to the Greenback unless you want more of the same (in which case, just get another Greenback). The Scumnico I have is pretty dark (30W) which works really well in some amps.

If you want to fill out the tone, the Red Fang is a really good choice to extend the highs and lows. Same with G12H30, but both are going to be noticeably louder than the Greenback. Maybe a Heritage G12H30 55 Hz? I haven't actually heard one....just thinking out loud.
 

908SSP

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Scumnico all the way. The blue gets old that overly loud top end doesn't cut it for me. The gold sounds stiff and sterile. The Scumnico sounds like an old silver or blue speaker form the 60s, sweat.
 

Samsun19

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Scumnico all the way. The blue gets old that overly loud top end doesn't cut it for me. The gold sounds stiff and sterile. The Scumnico sounds like an old silver or blue speaker form the 60s, sweat.
+ 1 Scumnico has that Silver magic, from back in the day.
 

rawkguitarist

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I've not heard better speakers than what I have from Scumback. Therefore, if you really want alnico I'd suggest the Scumnico too. Plus, I believe they're less expensive than the Celestion blueish variants.
 

btdvox

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hmm. Now I'm a bit confused.

I should say that my Kingsley 2X12 cab is a Heritage G12H30 and Heritage G12M Greenback. I beleive this has a sensitivity difference too but in my ears its the best sounding cab I've had in awhile.

My goal for this new cab is to have some alnico for my AC20Deluxe that still sounds awesome with a Dumble style amp. Problem is, I don't want to swap out both Greenbacks that are in my Morgan 2X12 for cash reasons.
 

Rob s

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This is obviously very subjective.
With that being said, i am not a fan of the H30's for my use which is in the studio.
I have ended up pulling them out of most of the amps and cabs i had them in.
They seem kinda dark and kinda pulled in the upper mids to me.
I like old greenbacks, V30's and blues.
There is something about how the blues magnet saturates and compresses that is part of the sound.
Perhaps thats what we call the sweet spot.
Greenbacks have a nice compression to them as well but in a different way than the blues.
I am also a fan of the WGS speakers i have tried.
New jensen = bad.
Weber is hit and miss for me.
I like the private jack.
Boom
 

Gretsch&Vox

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I ahven't heard a Scumnico so I would go with the Gold, only because you could blow the Blue, as others have said. Having owned both, the Blue & Gold are very, very similar. The Gold was modeled after the Blue and is, for all intents and purposes, a higher powered version of the Blue.
 

btdvox

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I ahven't heard a Scumnico so I would go with the Gold, only because you could blow the Blue, as others have said. Having owned both, the Blue & Gold are very, very similar. The Gold was modeled after the Blue and is, for all intents and purposes, a higher powered version of the Blue.
I think I'm going to re think this and spend some more time with the greenbacks.

I'm not really into harsh and shrill highs which is why this will be my first AC style amp. Might go for a Scumnico as the efficiency is the relatively the same. 98 db to 102 db has yo be almost a 20% different in loudness.
 

earthmud

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Scumnicos rule in a vox circuit and the ratings are very close. A blue or gold will over power a GB IMO.
 




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