Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Meriphew, Sep 10, 2016.
I think you're right as rain. I was referring to the first sentence I quoted.
Why, it's their right?
They are free to exercise it and we are free to judge them, or not judge.
I respect that someone will stand for something and is willing to deal with the consequence.
John Lennon used his fame and fortune to protest. Why can't football players do it too? Remember these guys? In hindsight they are considered heroes by many for what they did.
Can you point out where I said it wasn't their right?
I don't respect people who disrespect the flag, and never will. There are so many ways to protest without insulting the flag and country.
But I get it, there are so many people that hate the flag and country. I have no use for them.
Compare and contrast this action with that of Mr. bolt, who paused an interview for another countries anthem. I choose class.
In this country, we have the right to protest. That is what makes us so great. I have no problem with it. It has no impact on my life. If it bothers you, you obviously aren't focused on the right things.
You said "it should cost them dearly". Again, why, because they don't agree with you, or me, or whomever?
Everyone has the right to protest. And the Seahawks, Kap, etc. will deal with the fallout: losing endorsements, financially, popularly, etc. Or they will benefit.
Wanting America to be better doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with hating our country.
There's lots I love about America and lots I wish I could change. Protesting for positive change is what our whole country was built on.
Nationalism is very different from patriotism. The former is a very dangerous thing.
I don't think they are going to do that. I'm fine if they do, but Sept 11 is not a good day to do it.
I think Kaepernick's thing is great and hope more do it throughout the season. I watched a very enlightening show where a reporter followed the Newark PD on their shift. They stop and harass blacks continually for no reason, cuffing them etc. It's illegal and they do it anyway.
My hope is that every PD that does this gets sued continually for multi millions until they realize they have to stop just for financial reasons.
Ever read the full lyrics of Francis Scott Key's poem? All we ever hear is the first verse. Imagine if they were to include the 3rd verse.
O! say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: In God we Trust.
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Because it is my right to punish people for stupid behavior with my support or lack thereof. I guess that protesting is only good in your mind when you believe in the cause.
I want America to be better and improve as well. However this particular protest is misdirected IMHO, and blatantly disrespectful of the majority of the country.
I don't believe that the flag or national anthem are nationalistic, but symbols of patriotism. My reading of your post is that you disagree. What flag should we fly, what song should we sing?
I love other countries, and believe that we can all learn from each other to make our country and the world a better place. So instead of worrying about BLM how about working to prevent the 500 homicides in Chicago alone this year. It is a forest/trees issue, but it is popular and emotional.
Standing up for what one believes in "should cost them dearly". Doesn't sound like you understand what the flag, which you claim to want to protect, really stands for.
You have me pegged wrong, actually.
We had a student years ago who refused to stand for the pledge.
A teacher who was a Navy vet engaged him loudly and was livid, his final quote being, "I didn't spend 15 years in the Navy for you to sit during the pledge."
I said, actually, that's exactly why you did it. The kid was a grade A misguided, ignorant, asshole who didn't know anything about anything. But it was his right to sit for the pledge, whether we like it or not.
Same thing here. The flag is a thing, nothing more. Whatever symbolism we apply to it doesn't mean someone with a different life experience can't complain about their perception of their America.
As I said before, though more politely, Kap is an idiot. But he's an idiot with rights.
We all have freedom of choice - thanks to those who have served and sacrificed for us. I personally think it is disrespectful but it's their choice. If they do this before any football game or event that I tune into then I will choose not to watch. It's not about making anyone change the way they protest but more about how we choose to respond to it.
How does not standing for the national anthem disrespect troops?
Or victims of 9/11?
What is that stanza saying - what is its meaning in the context of the whole song? I have puzzled over that and cannot get it clear in my mind.
Let's see what they do. I'm guessing the Seahawks will all stand and join hands as a sign of unity and brothhood
if them planes crashed into that space needle, killing 3000, don't think it'd go over too well locally.
This notion that people who are rich and/or famous should just keep their mouths shut is ludicrous.
The intolerance is deafening.
That's a dumb thing to say.