SHOD - HW vs PCB

[jboyjams]

Anybody have any pics showing the difference? Guts?

 

[Bobby D]

guts DO look different.......the HW versions have a lot more hand wiring to the pots and jacks. the CB version looks similar to a lot of other modern pedals, with board mounted jacks and pots.

soundwise, they are about 99% the same to my ears.

i am gigging with the CB series pedals, and plan on getting the new ones as they come out, and replacing my HW ones on my board.

and i gig a LOT, in Florida, with plenty of heat, humidity, and moisture.....so we'll see how the new CB series holds up under heavy use.

i can't see the demand for the HW series remaining much longer, i would not be surprised if they are phased out once they get full scale on the CB line.....

 

[Bobby D]

here's a pic of the LGW, both the HW and CB series.


this particular HW model LGW is an early prototype, which is why the PCB is not mounted to the case.

 

[jboyjams]

Thanks Bobby D - that helps a lot - there is one on the Emporium I was going for but we needed to have the seller tell us which version

 

[Bobby D]

you're welcome......as you can see, the new CB series construction is quite GOOD. it's very clean, and the price difference reflects the labor cost, it is MUCH easier to build the CB version. Hand wiring all the jacks and pots takes up quite a bit of time. and honestly, i don't think it makes much of a difference in the sound, the older MP and newer MP pedals i have been demoing sound 99% the same.

there is a much more significant difference between the handmade BJFe pedals and the MP pedals. the BJFe are all handmade and tuned by ear by Bjorn personally. they are SWEET but hard to get, and pricey.....

 

[lux_interior]

This brings me to a question that I wanted to make: assume that a shop sells both the handwired and the PCB versions of Mad Professor pedals. How can we tell if they are selling a PCB one for the price of the HW? Apart from the box, probably? Is opening them up and taking a look the only way? (Not very appropriate... imagine using a screwdriver to open one right in front of them just because you don't trust them enough... )

By the way, there is no way to understand what the thread title means unless you are a hardcore TGP and pedal geek!

 

[FLYING V 83]

Easiest way is to pick them up.
HW version weighs about 3 times more than the CB one.
And sorry, but to me there was enough sonic difference to buy the HW LGW vs the CB. Played them both hooked together and bought the one that sounded better to my ears. CB one sounded more "pedally" to me.

 

[jboyjams]

AHHH!!

 

[lux_interior]

Easiest way is to pick them up.
HW version weighs about 3 times more than the CB one.

And how will you be able to do that if they don't sell both, or if you haven't tried a HW before? No other signs? Are they identical on the outside? Is there something like a small code on the back that describes which one is it?

 

[jboyjams]

Is the light red on the HW vs clear on the pcb?

 

[jboyjams]

you're welcome......as you can see, the new CB series construction is quite GOOD. it's very clean, and the price difference reflects the labor cost, it is MUCH easier to build the CB version. Hand wiring all the jacks and pots takes up quite a bit of time. and honestly, i don't think it makes much of a difference in the sound, the older MP and newer MP pedals i have been demoing sound 99% the same.

there is a much more significant difference between the handmade BJFe pedals and the MP pedals. the BJFe are all handmade and tuned by ear by Bjorn personally. they are SWEET but hard to get, and pricey.....

So I guess it is safe to assume that you would recommend the SHOD cb for me then...?

I am very picky but if we are talkin 99% then there really is not a noticeable difference. I also heard the pcb may be a bit louder?

I did not get to see your video comparing the two - it is blocked here at work - so is there a difference on the video?

Thanks for your time - I appreciate it

 

[Bobby D]

This brings me to a question that I wanted to make: assume that a shop sells both the handwired and the PCB versions of Mad Professor pedals. How can we tell if they are selling a PCB one for the price of the HW? Apart from the box, probably? Is opening them up and taking a look the only way? (Not very appropriate... imagine using a screwdriver to open one right in front of them just because you don't trust them enough... )

By the way, there is no way to understand what the thread title means unless you are a hardcore TGP and pedal geek!

the sticker on the back is COMPLETELY different, they also come in completely different boxes as well. the new boxes are BLACK, and the old ones were white with decals on them.

the new stickers are a large white one on the back of the pedal, they have a big BAR CODE on them, and the serial number will be like this:

LGW 10 00452

the "10" is the year of manufacture

the "00452" is the serial number

 

[Bobby D]

So I guess it is safe to assume that you would recommend the SHOD cb for me then...?

I am very picky but if we are talkin 99% then there really is not a noticeable difference. I also heard the pcb may be a bit louder?

I did not get to see your video comparing the two - it is blocked here at work - so is there a difference on the video?

Thanks for your time - I appreciate it

to be honest, i kinda liked the CB version of the SHOD a bit better than the HW version

the LGW pedals were very similar, as was the Deep Blue Delay.

some people have said from listening to my demos that the HW pedals sounded a little bit deeper and richer than the new CB models.

but to my ears, they were 99% alike......

 

[lemmiwinks]

I believe they have a different finish and are a different shade (colour). It seems that the HW ones are a darker shade.

Take a look -

http://proguitarshop.com/store/inde...search_in_description=1&keyword=mad+professor

 

[lux_interior]

the sticker on the back is COMPLETELY different, they also come in completely different boxes as well. the new boxes are BLACK, and the old ones were white with decals on them.

the new stickers are a large white one on the back of the pedal, they have a big BAR CODE on them, and the serial number will be like this:

LGW 10 00452

the "10" is the year of manufacture

the "00452" is the serial number

Thanks for your answer. But I still don't get it... if one has a 2010 LGW that is PCB and a 2010 HW one, what will be the specific difference in their boxes and in their stickers?

@Lemmi: the picture might not mean much - it might appear to have a darker hue due to a different white balance setting. For example in the PGS video, the Little Green Wonder looks... blue. And still, you would need to have both of them in front of you to tell.

 

[BBOP]

Thanks all for your patience.

 

[Bobby D]

Thanks for your answer. But I still don't get it... if one has a 2010 LGW that is PCB and a 2010 HW one, what will be the specific difference in their boxes and in their stickers?

@Lemmi: the picture might not mean much - it might appear to have a darker hue due to a different white balance setting. For example in the PGS video, the Little Green Wonder looks... blue. And still, you would need to have both of them in front of you to tell.

new LGW on top....lighter color

old LGW on bottom......a deeper hue of blue/green

 

[lux_interior]

Thanks once again, but I don't think we are communicating properly. I am not talking about an old LGW and a new LGW. I will describe the hypothetical problem once again: you have one new LGW in front of you (remember: only one) that was made in 2010. You don't know if it is a handwired one or one with a PCB, and you can't open it up to see what's going on to know if you are paying the correct price. What do you do?

 

[Octafuzz40]

It appears from the pictures posted here and also on PGS that the handwired version says "Overdrive" below the Mad Professor logo and on the CB version it (Overdrive) is above the MP logo. Not sure if that's fool-proof, but it may well be a way to tell the difference just looking at one.

Thanks once again, but I don't think we are communicating properly. I am not talking about an old LGW and a new LGW. I will describe the hypothetical problem once again: you have one new LGW in front of you (remember: only one) that was made in 2010. You don't know if it is a handwired one or one with a PCB, and you can't open it up to see what's going on to know if you are paying the correct price. What do you do?

 

[jboyjams]

Nice catch on the LGW overdrive logo.

I know I was asking this already, but from the pics I have seen of the SHOD - it looks like the HW has a red led and the PCB has a clear led - could vary though, but that is a trend I noticed.