Not my experience at all.In my testing this is what my experience was. I was comparing a Kemper with Dirty Shirley profiles from Tone Junky, the FM9 with it's two different models of the Dirty Shirley amp and my actual Friedman Twin Sister amp (two Dirty Shirley circuits in the same amp) with a 112 cabinet with a Celestion creamback speaker in it. The Kemper profiles sounded like my real amp. I had to dial the gain way back (1.5 or 2) on the FM9 to even get in the ballpark.
Not my experience at all.
Any chance you're running the guitar into the attenuated input on your real amp?
If so you need to set the input trim to 0.500 in the fm9 amp block to replicate that.
Can't those only do 1 amp and a time? One of the features I want is to run two amps in stereo.To the OP, why not grab a used FM3? They are bottoming out in price, I have seen headphone version FM3's for ~$875 which is a complete steal. I think on Fractal site they are $999 which is also an excellent price. This would at least give you all of the amp/cab/FX tones to check out while you wait for FM9 to compare vs. your Kemper. You could certainly decide by then if the FM9 even makes sense and you could flip (or return) the FM3 with minimal $$$ loss. I would consider it a rental of sorts.
I can’t say it’s the same experience I’ve had with my III/FM9 in comparison to the amps I’ve owned/played through….which are all high gain amps. The Mesa’s are quite spot-on as is the 6160 (5150), Ecstasy, Legacy, Friedman’s…
That said, the Master Volumes are all cranked pretty high in the models, which definitely leads to them having a lot more gain than they would at normal levels. I end up backing them all down to between 2-4 because it makes the amps mush out. If I didn’t know that going into it, I’d assume they had way more distortion/gain going on than the real amps. While I’ve done some pretty crazy things to myself over the years, assaulting my ears with a Dual or Triple Rec with the Master on 10 is not one of them.
IME it varies by model and perhaps it's our amps that vary, I dunno. The Brit 800 sounds dead on to my 2204 with the same settings and gain IMHO. The 6160 and 6160+ actually have less gain than my 5150 and 6505+. Some of the Plexi/1959 amps seem to have more gain than the 1959s I've owned.Is this true? The reason I ask is during my comparisons between the FM3 and Helix, I noticed that I had to turn the gain up on the Helix to get a comparable level of gain.
In @Guitarjon 's recent blind test, I could see that he also had the gain higher on the Helix than the Axe FX, but the actual amp gain looked closer to the Axe FX settings.
I know that the real amp wasn't an actual BE, and I don't think the two models used necessarily matched each other either, but on the face of it it does look like Helix may be "under-gained" rather than the Axe FX being "over-gained".
That being said, both may well be in tolerance compared to the original amp they modelled.
Can't those only do 1 amp and a time? One of the features I want is to run two amps in stereo.
Constructive criticism / personal observation warning.
This is the exact reason why I personally couldn’t hack it in the digital world. I kept finding myself looking at the other devices thinking “mine does this, but that one does this other thing”. It became overwhelming for me and it took me away from playing.
Again, this is a personal experience / opinion I wanted to share regarding your position. If I was you, I’d go all-in on one device. Otherwise, it’s literally never ending and extremely expensive.
Same here. I do minor tweaks over time and eventually "set it and forget it".I try to get something going that I like the sound of as quick and easy as possible and get to playing.
...the quickest way to dial in a new preset is to start with all the amp knobs at noon and then find an IR that‘s already 90% in the ballpark. From there it’s just a couple twists of the amp knobs and you’re there. Ballparking tones was probably the most relieving/time-saving thing I’ve done.
Same here. I do minor tweaks over time and eventually "set it and forget it".
For my money, this is the way to go. It enables you to save a lot of wasted time chasing your tail, time that could be spent playing guitar.
Having owned Helix, Stomp, Stomp XL, FM-3, Atomic, Headrush, and Kemper, I can say that I can get great tones out of all of them. You're not going to have any "OMG - this is the holy grail of tone!" moment from the Fractal. I think the real question is what features, effects, and user interface you gel with. If Kemper's interface seems intuitive for you to use and you are used to it, I'd stick with that. If you're someone that gets frustrated with settings and details and just wants to play, Fractal is not the way to go.