i'm talking reissues here.... I've spent a lot of time playing both amps (i've owned the super for a few months, and played many many amps before deciding)... but now I feel like i'm stuck. I feel like i need to make a decision before continuing to dump money for pedals and mods to make the super do what i want it to do. the style of music I play is probably closest to powerpop. Main influences are zeppelin, the beatles, the stones, the who, yardbirds, eric johnson, santana, journey, the faces, neil young, queen, rory gallagher, tom petty, allan holdsworth. Need to cover a lot of styles, but nothing really to the extremes... mostly just straight ahead rock/pop/blues music. I basically have three sounds that I use all the time with slight variations... clean - this is why i got the super... dig the blackface clean tone. Love the deep piano-like feel with rich highs and airy lows. sometimes I feel like the lows should be more solid, but I get by. To me the super reverb is the ultimate clean tone. I remember liking the chime of the ac-30, but i'm unsure if its gonna cover everything i need. Its got its own piano thing going on, but Vox = wurlitzer. Fender = steinway. the cleans are just bigger with the fender... can a vox be dialed in a bit more fendery?? crunch - this is definitely ac-30 land. Love Rory Gallagher's rhythm tone... also a fan of neal schon's. To me, this is where the super lacks the most... I am currently using a BoR for rhythm and it sounds pretty good, but it doesn't have the dynamic of a cookin amp, and the bass-flub kind of gets in the way sometimes. I like the 4x10 speaker configuration, but it certainly lacks a lot of punch for rhythm. The ac-30 I feel like i could just slam with boost and get a great rhythm tone out of. lead - usually I boost my super with ODs or just use fuzz. If "piano" comes to mind for my clean tones, "violin" would probably be the word for my lead tones. Santana, Eric Johnson, Hendrix, May, Fripp, etc. but also Jimmy Page, jeff beck, neal schon, etc. I like the airiness that open-back 4x10s give to my leads... it makes them sound bigger, but I feel like it loses a lot of the punch and power of a closed back 4x12 or 2x12. Maybe open back 2x12 is the answer?? Regretfully, i've never been able to play lead on an ac-30 with all my pedals, so i can't really comment on how it'll sound in comparison with my fender. My main dirt comes from: treble booster, bc-108 fuzzface, big muff pi, voodoo lab sparkle drive (usually a boost), keeley ds-1 or mi audio tube zone. Guitars I use are mostly a tele, but also a les paul. Both are traditional configurations, nothing fancy. My current setup is a little whacked out because I run a fake-two-amp setup with a/b box. My cleans are bright and blackfacey in the vibrato channel of my super, and my dirt pedals feed into a darker normal channel with the bright switch off and the treble rolled down. I like the ac-30 reissues because they are also 2 channel. I could use the top boost for my clean signal (chorus, echo), and the darker smoother normal channel for my dirt pedals. This would mean I wouldn't have to change my whole setup that much, but still be closer to my tone omega point. here's what i'm wondering: whether or not it would be easy to coax good lead tones out of the ac-30 normal channel given my pedal setup and styles. which amp has more headroom?? I set my amp relatively clean and hit the front end hard with dirt and boost for my overdriven sound. how is the FX loop on the ac-30? noisy? how aggressive is the open back 2x12? I've only owned 10" speakers in the past, but I would assume it would fall between the very open sound of an open back 4x10 and a closed 2x12/4x12. another thing to worry about is that I'm also in need of a smaller amp... for smallish gigs and jams. I was thinking about keeping the super and getting an ac15cc to supplement it, but the ac-15 lacks a normal channel, which is really what i love about ac30s. Its much easier to find the BF tone in a small package (DRRI, PRRI coming out) than it is to find the vox tone. I guess my big gripe about the super is just that i feel like BF fenders just don't take pedals well. I know some people will shoot me for saying that, but I feel like they are so EQ'd in the preamp stage and that they eat up so much gain from the front end that they can be next to impossible to dial in right for applications requiring things other than clean or slight dirt. The ac, i think is more versatile, while retaining a bright and chimey clean tone... even if it isn't as fat as a fender. so am i overestimating the ac-30?? are there things I don't know about the super?? anybody owned both?? are there good alternatives out there??