Singular Sound Aeros Loop Studio

Guitardave

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@Guitardave
My post above may be of interest.


I believe that is what the included "future features" paper in the box means: it's coming. That contradicts what support said a few weeks ago but I suspected as much when I didn't get a direct answer initially.
Thanks! I certainly didn't get the impression that freeform wasn't available at launch. I would have waited in that case. Let's see how they respond - otherwise I'll return it and wait awhile for it to mature.
 

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Thanks! I certainly didn't get the impression that freeform wasn't available at launch. I would have waited in that case. Let's see how they respond - otherwise I'll return it and wait awhile for it to mature.
Yup. Me neither. I wouldn't have bought it either had I known—and I did ask them. Let us know if you hear back.
 

JoeInOttawa

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Glad you guys are on the cutting edge and helping them smooth over the rough spots. It does look as though they had no choice but to get the first batch out before being entirely ready. I have a feeling the second batch I'm in is going to take quite a lot longer than they had originally forecast.
They didn't respond to that kind of pressure. Ask the people who have paid for MIDI Maestros.
 

JoeInOttawa

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I thought Anthony Sostre said it WAS included. Have any of you gone hunting through the Aeros threads on the Singular forum to find out for sure -- and to ask the question?
 

Guitardave

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Email response to the question of freeform looping. I've asked if there is an estimated release date.


Yes, that is correct. It is an upcoming feature in the next firmware update. In the package that the Aeros comes in, you will see a printed list of imminently upcoming features, freeform mode is listed 8th one from the top.
 
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ljholland

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Yes, that is correct. It is an upcoming feature in the next firmware update. In the package that the Aeros comes in, you will see a printed list of imminently upcoming features, freeform mode is listed 8th one from the top.
....there wasn't a single paper in mine.
 

RockDebris

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It's unfortunate the first impression is that it is missing crucial features people expected. I'm sure they'll get there. I wonder of the first 100 how many people are super pleased with it just because it syncs with Beat Buddy or does basic looping and preset recall? Frankly, that's really all I need it for, but I do like knowing that it can do more than I initially need. I don't think anyone should ship a product that has MIDI ports without a complete MIDI implementation chart. That's just frustrating.
 

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It's unfortunate the first impression is that it is missing crucial features people expected. I'm sure they'll get there. I wonder of the first 100 how many people are super pleased with it just because it syncs with Beat Buddy or does basic looping and preset recall? Frankly, that's really all I need it for, but I do like knowing that it can do more than I initially need. I don't think anyone should ship a product that has MIDI ports without a complete MIDI implementation chart. That's just frustrating.
Agreed - I'm going to test it with the Beatbuddy for awhile and see what happens. Couldn't really tell how intuitive it is for recording and looping using it standalone in quantize mode.
 

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For the folks having problem with free form loops, have you tried having the subsequent parts being "longer" than the first part recorded with the settings Sync Tracks off and Quantize to Measure off?

Sync Tracks: Keeps tracks of different lengths synced with each other by making each track a multiple of the previous track. If track 1 is 3 measures long, track 2 can be 1, 3, 6, 9, etc. measures. If quantize is off, the following track can only be of equal or a multiple of greater length than the previous track. It is highly recommended to keep sync tracks on, unless you are doing soundscape or polyrhythm style of looping.

Quantize to measure: Starts and ends recording at the beginning/end of the measure. This requires a BPM and time signature setting (With BeatBuddy connected [MIDI Sync On], BPM and Time Signature will be set automatically).
Likey the feature is still a WIP, but in case the problem is between the shoes and the guitar, the above might be a clue.
 

Guitardave

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For the folks having problem with free form loops, have you tried having the subsequent parts being "longer" than the first part recorded with the settings Sync Tracks off and Quantize to Measure off?

Sync Tracks: Keeps tracks of different lengths synced with each other by making each track a multiple of the previous track. If track 1 is 3 measures long, track 2 can be 1, 3, 6, 9, etc. measures. If quantize is off, the following track can only be of equal or a multiple of greater length than the previous track. It is highly recommended to keep sync tracks on, unless you are doing soundscape or polyrhythm style of looping.

Quantize to measure: Starts and ends recording at the beginning/end of the measure. This requires a BPM and time signature setting (With BeatBuddy connected [MIDI Sync On], BPM and Time Signature will be set automatically).
Likey the feature is still a WIP, but in case the problem is between the shoes and the guitar, the above might be a clue.
The problem is that no signal is reaching the looper in Freeform. When you record in Quantize you can see the waveform on the screen as it captures audio. In Freeform - there's nothing being recorded...it's blank.
 

donfrantz

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The problem is that no signal is reaching the looper in Freeform. When you record in Quantize you can see the waveform on the screen as it captures audio. In Freeform - there's nothing being recorded...it's blank.
Exactly
 

Mark_48

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From the Aeros webpage 'Specifications', does this suggest 'freeform' is only available for playback after recorded?
"Quantize your tracks in any time signature or play in freeform mode"
 

spiral

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From the Aeros webpage 'Specifications', does this suggest 'freeform' is only available for playback after recorded?
No. Freeform mode is recording to no predetermined tempo and all loops loop independent of each other. Freeform sync mode is the same but all subsequent loops sync to the first loop.

@Guitardave got a reply that it won't be working until the first update which is 3-4 weeks from now:
Yes, that is correct. It is an upcoming feature in the next firmware update. In the package that the Aeros comes in, you will see a printed list of imminently upcoming features, freeform mode is listed 8th one from the top.

....there wasn't a single paper in mine.
I posted it here if you want to see it. There was also a note from Singular.
 
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Time to toss myself into the thread.

Hey everyone, I'm Anthony, the Marketing Director at Singular Sound.

I've been watching here closely, (and a few other forums) for some time, but I'm always hesitant to engage in forum threads for fear of not being appreciated. Usually I just take notes and pass feedback along to the developers/engineers. In my latest read through here, I saw someone post that they felt it weird that nobody from Singular Sound showed up here, so it sounded like one of us being here would be appreciated. If that's the case, great I'll pop in here from time to time. :) Otherwise just let me know and I'll go back to lurking in the shadows collecting your feedback silently.

@ljholland Sorry you didn't get a paper! That must've just been a mistake on our part when sending them out.

For everyone else, in regards to the free-sync not working, a bug (which y'all are experiencing) prevented it from working in this version, I would've sent an email through, but I recently moved and had a kid so I've not been able to do as much as I usually do in terms of sending out communications and the like. I just got back in Wednesday this week and have been playing the catch up game, so I should be able to send something concrete through next week.

I do know we just brought on an additional developer who's going to be helping out, so fingers crossed that the update comes sooner than that 3-4 week estimate given. :)

Regarding documentation: We've heard y'all loud and clear on the MIDI documentation and are trying to get it done ASAP, but with the limited members on the team, it's been a push - especially considering there's all the documentation needed for the Maestro as well which should be shipping soon. I will say we have a first draft of the MIDI documentation and are hoping to publish after a few much needed edits to the manual and QSG.

Feel free to ask me any questions directly over the weekend. I've still gotta unpack a ton of boxes so I likely won't check over the weekend, but I should be able to get back to you guys with answers to any questions on Monday.
 
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RockDebris

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Time to toss myself into the thread.

Hey everyone, I'm Anthony, the Marketing Director at Singular Sound.

I've been watching here closely, (and a few other forums) for some time, but I'm always hesitant to engage in forum threads for fear of not being appreciated. Usually I just take notes and pass feedback along to the developers/engineers. In my latest read through here, I saw someone post that they felt it weird that nobody from Singular Sound showed up here, so it sounded like one of us being here would be appreciated. If that's the case, great I'll pop in here from time to time. :) Otherwise just let me know and I'll go back to lurking in the shadows collecting your feedback silently.

@ljholland Sorry you didn't get a paper! That must've just been a mistake on our part when sending them out.

For everyone else, in regards to the free-sync not working, a bug (which y'all are experiencing) prevented it from working in this version, I would've sent an email through, but I recently moved and had a kid so I've not been able to do as much as I usually do in terms of sending out communications and the like. I just got back in Wednesday this week and have been playing the catch up game, so I should be able to send something concrete through next week.

I do know we just brought on an additional developer who's going to be helping out, so fingers crossed that the update comes sooner than that 3-4 week estimate given. :)

Regarding documentation: We've heard y'all loud and clear on the MIDI documentation and are trying to get it done ASAP, but with the limited members on the team, it's been a push - especially considering there's all the documentation needed for the Maestro as well which should be shipping soon. I will say we have a first draft of the MIDI documentation and are hoping to publish after a few much needed edits to the manual and QSG.

Feel free to ask me any questions directly over the weekend. I've still gotta unpack a ton of boxes so I likely won't check over the weekend, but I should be able to get back to you guys with answers to any questions on Monday.
Welcome. Your input is appreciated most of all!

Most pressing question for me, after MIDI docs is, when does the next batch ship?
 




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