sneaky similarities between jazz standards

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  1. carlosmucho

    carlosmucho Member

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    This one just hit me a couple days ago...

    Ever take a good look at One Note Samba and notice the changes are almost entirely common chord subs to rhythm changes? The A section is D- (iii of Bb), Db7 (tritone sub for G7), C-, B7#11 (tritone sub for F7), then F- Bb7 Ebmaj Ab7 is verbatim. Then the bridge is just tritone subs + "ii-ing the V" for the RC bridge.

    There must be many others. Stop holding out on me guys, give me the info!
     
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  2. Bussman

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    Google contrafact.
     
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  3. Ejay

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    Learn all of me, days of wine and roses, night and day and all the things you are.....probably all the other standerds are build with blocks you find in one of those.

    In other words...theres only so much oil...and theres to many simularities to even start mentioning ;)
     
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  4. derekd

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    Yeah, lots of tunes out there use the same or similar progressions with a different melody or rhythm.

    You are probably aware many bebop tunes are standards played uptempo with different melodies.
     
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    Could be worse.

    Could be Nickelback.

    They steal/re-write their own tunes.
     
  7. Ed DeGenaro

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    While not considered a rhythm changes tune I can see it fitting the description.
    I mean there's a bunch of tunes that serve as contradicts like Cherokee, Indiana, Honeysuckle Rose, Woody 'n' You, Sweet Georgia Brown, Tea For Two, All The Things You Are, How High The Moon, Sweet Georgia Brown, All The Things You Are, Pennies From Heaven, 's Wonderful....
    But none of them as widely used as Blues or Rhythm Changes.

    Off the top Of My head...
    Lester Leaps In, Shaw Nuff, Constellation, The Chase, Anthropology, Moose The Moiche, Lemon Drop...
     
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  8. Ed DeGenaro

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    Depends what you call tunes. Chord progessions aren't protected by copywrite.
    Melodies and lyrics are...

    Look at Satriani suing Coldplay and settling out of court.
    Sure if the had taken just a couple of major7#11 court they wouldn't have to pay.
     
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  9. vintagelove

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    If you take the time to learn to negotiate

    ii V I in maj/min
    Rhythm changes
    Blues


    You can look at most jazz standards and understand them in seconds. Obviously there are tunes like giant steps and, well... anything by Wayne Shorter, that take unique paths and require shed time of their own, but time spent on the above is time well spent.
     
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  10. StevenA

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    Satriani, maybe
    Cat Stevens Foreingner Suite, cmon?
     
  11. Ed DeGenaro

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    Huh?
     
  12. Bussman

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    I hate it when copyright disputes are settled out of chord, it just doesn’t sound right. ;-)
     
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    Coldplay and Satriani are being traced back to Cat Stevens
     
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    Great observation because is isn’t a simple contrafact situation. I certainly know many of those but never have made the link to RC with One Note Samba.

    As for the other issue brought up by other posters — that there are chunks of chord progressions in songs that are recycled often — seems like I’ve seen lists of these before. There’s a YouTube vid of a piano guy selling his jazz lessons where they have a trio playing these common chunks as backing, and teaching approaches to it. Looked good, actually, and I’ve looked for it but can’t find it now. I might even spend money on that (it was done very well). @JensL also has some lessons on common jazz chord progressions. And I might have seen a list of these chunks somewhere with the tunes listed. Which would be cool, especially if the “chunks” are a little less obvious than ii V or I vi ii V. Those kinda don’t count! Maybe in the Levine book?
     
  16. Tag

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    Great list Ed!!
    :beer
     
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  17. carlosmucho

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    Thanks guys. What’s the ATTYA contrafact?

    Also, anyone notice that the Miss Jones bridge moves in major 3rds like Giant Steps? I avoided GS for so long then when I finally looked at it I was pleasantly surprised, since I’ve practiced Miss Jones quite a bit.
     
  18. Ed DeGenaro

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    Had to look it up ablution uses ATTYA

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jazz_contrafacts

    As for have you met miss Quones...sorta...it goes Bb Gb D Gb (with ii-Vs).
     
  19. Duffy Pratt

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    Most famous for ATTYA is Bird of Paradise by Charlie Parker.
     
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  20. GovernorSilver

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    Hopefully this gives a better idea of just how thorough David Baker's book is on this topic. It give you a LOT more than just a list of contrafacts and the basic chord progressions that intermediate level jazz students memorized in their sleep. Just the kind of a book that an obsessive student/professor of the art would write.

    If you really want to dive into the deep end exploring similarities between jazz tunes, this book is a solid bet.


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