This speaker gets bashed so much Celestion should be given an award for pulling such a con over so many players and amp manufactures that use them. We know that other speakers are cab and amp sensitive, so why don't we at the very least give the Vintage 30 that luxury? It may not be your thing, but I have heard to many great guitar tones with vintage 30's for them to be discounted just because of bad press. In my cab they work great. Vintage 30, I salute you.