Some Matchless speaker recommendations please

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  1. kodecar

    kodecar Member

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    I have a Matchless Head (H/C-30) that I just bought a 112 (S/C-30) combo cabinet for (Thanks Pete!). The cabinet is cab is unloaded so I need to choose a speaker for it.

    I think that a Celestion V-30 was stock in the S/C-30 but I am not 100% on that. I could go with the V-30 andhave nothing against itbut know that a lot of you have much more experience with different speakers and probably much better ears than I do.

    Any suggestions? Tone Tubby? Scumback? HOw 'bout the Eminance offerings?

    Any and all opinions are welcome. I really just want to get the best from this 112 setup. The only req. is power handling. THe head was recently serviced and it is putting out 42W so a Celestion Blue and the other low power peakers are out of the running.

    Fire away, I'm all ears.

    Take care,
    Derek
     
  2. Leonc

    Leonc Wild Gear Hearder Gold Supporting Member

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    V30 rules with that amp. I've had SC30s and JJ30s. They sound fabulous with that speaker. My understanding is that Matchless would paint the doping with a little accetone (someone please confirm?) to make them sound a bit more 'broken in'. Whatever it was, the Matchless V30s in the SC30 sound killer.
     
  3. zadiqof

    zadiqof Member

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    What'd you do with your head cabinet ;) ?
     
  4. kodecar

    kodecar Member

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    I am going to stash the head cab in the closet for the future.

    It is an old one, serial #M1670 so I will keep the original cab in case I ever really need to part with it (or prices for the originals goes through the roof!! :AOK)
     
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    zadiqof Member

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    Yeah, I've been jonesin for an HC30 :(
     
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    I'll second the V30 recomendation. Great amps, btw!!
     
  7. kodecar

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    That's two votes for the V-30.

    Is there any dissention in the ranks?

    My ears are open.
     
  8. George H

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    Yes, for even smoother, more gradual breakup, I recommend a G12H30.

    I like the V30 (in fact I've got two 2X12 cabinets w/ a V30 & a G12H30
    in them) but in a single 12" configuration, I prefer the smoother breakup
    of the G12H

    GH:)
     
  9. George H

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    I just did a similar thing. I bought a DC30 combo box to put my HC30
    chassis into. (I'm starting to dig combos & can easily lug them around
    in a single road case) I sold my Matchless 2X12 w/ the original speakers
    & put a V30 & a G12H in the combo box. I like this combination.
    My choise for a single 12" is just above.

    GH:)
     
  10. kodecar

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    Interesting about the smooth breakup.

    I have a 212 cab loaded with the Celestion Blues and, despite the fact that these would seem the perfect match to the amp, I really don't love the OD sounds through them.

    They seem to have a grainy, fizzy sort of sound. I have had the amp serviced and every thing was 100 % (140% actually as the amp puts out 42W vs.30). I have also been told that I am nuts and that it sounds killer.

    Something to smooth the gain sounds out some would be good.
     
  11. Mayflower

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    I have/had owned alot of Matchless/Bad Cats.
    I own about every type vintage/boutique speaker.
    I was always scared to death change to one of the boutique/vintage speakers in the combos because they sound so GOOD with the factory spec speaker.
    The best tone is to stick with the V30 in the Bad Cat/Matchless in those amps.
    Put your boutique/vintage speakers in external cabinets so you can explore the tonal differences without a physical speaker swap.
    I do have certain heads that sound better with different cab/speakers.
    But the V30 for Matchless /Bad Cats are the perfect choice as a starting point for great tone. Strong mid range with the blizzard of nails tone.
    My old timey neighbor always said "Don't fix it unless it's broken"
    Good words to live by, unless you just can't stop tinkering....Like alot of us do.
    Use the V30...and go from there.
     
  12. kodecar

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    O.K., Let's say that I go with the V-30.

    Are there variants of the V-30 that I should seek out? Do I try to buy a specially doped one from Matchless? I have heard people talk about "British" vs. ??? made Celestions. Do I look for one of a certain vintage?

    Carvin has great prices on new production V-30's. Any reason not to buy one from them?
     
  13. Mayflower

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    I'd say go for it.
    But to hold the value of your amp, order it from Matchless doped.
     
  14. George H

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    Not sure you can order speakers only directly from Matchless. (or Bad Cat
    for that matter) In the DC30s (or the Matchless 2X12s) they put their
    own branded V30 & G12H. (the famous doped speakers) They are tweaked
    specifically for Matchless. (I don't know what specifically makes them
    special, but they are)

    If you can find a "Matchless" labeled 12", by all means get it. If not, get
    either a Celestion V30 or a G12H. I don't think you'll be unhappy w/ either.
    The variants are out there (I know Eminence makes a V30 style speaker)
    but I have no hands on experience w/ any of them. Most of the current
    Celestions are now made in China. Some say they sound different, others
    say the same. I've not heard any Chinese made. (as far as I know)

    I would try & find a used British made. There are almost always some
    available on the usual for sale sites.

    btw, my experience w/ Blues is the same as yours. I really wanted to
    like them but for some reason never warmed up to them. In fact, the
    only Alnico magnet speakers I care for are the Weber Classic & Blue Pup
    10 inchers.

    GH:)
     
  15. kodecar

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    OK, here is another question.

    GIven that the apm will run at 4,8,16 Ohms, what Ohm rating should I use? DOes it really make much difference in a 112 set up. What are the differences (in this setting) tonally?
     
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    I emailed Phil Jamison of Matchless last year about this and several other questions about the speakers in my Matchless cabs, and he was kind enough to answer all of them. Here are my questions, and his answers quoted from his email:

    Question 1:
    I know the current ESD 2x12 cabs (and I’m assuming DC combos as well) have the mismatched Celestion Greenback and G12H based speakers (as is shown on the current Matchless Amps website).

    In the early Matchless DC combos and ESD 2x12 cabs, I’ve read the speaker drivers were based on a Vintage 30 and Greenback. I’ve been unable to confirm this anywhere, is this correct?

    If so, when did was the Vintage 30 replaced with the G12H? Was it when the new Matchless company started up again, or during the first Matchless company’s time?

    Phil Jamison:
    "The current combos and ESD's are G12H30 and 25 watt Greenback.
    I switched them in 2000. The original config up to 1998 was V30 and Greenback.

    "I changed them in 2000 because the V30 wasn't what it once was and they were darker than the G12H. A G12H is only a V30 basket with a 25 watt cone. They are brighter and have more dymanic response. They are also more expensive but worth it."


    Question 2
    What was the speaker in any single 12” combo (SC30 or JJ) or ESS 1x12 cab? Were there any options available or was a single standard driver always used?

    Phil Jamison:
    "The early ESS and later JJ stuff was a Vintage 30 at 8 ohms. (all speakers were 8 ohms)"


    Question 3
    What were the 10” speakers based on?

    Phil Jamison:
    "the 10s are G10L 35's (nothing fancy) I like the Jensen P10N better."


    Question 4
    Do the Celestion drivers have the doping removed, as is most often said on many forums?

    Phil Jamison:
    "Yes, the doping is removed. This is not recomended for things other than Matchless and you can kill a speaker if you do this incorrectly."
     

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