Something to raise the volume during solos that goes between amp and cab.

GiorgioV

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The old problem of having a volume boost for solos..

Only thing is I haven't been able to solve it with my current amp. I have a Reeves Super '78 that I've been using for years now, love my amp, it's the 50 watt version. I run it with the gain up 2/3 of the way and an overdrive in front most of the time.

The only problem is, I have troubles bumping up my volume during solos. Adding another od or boost or even eq does not work well enough. I can cut through more but the other guitarist in my band has a straigh up bump in volume that works much better, and makes for a pretty evident "solo" moment.

I need to acheive the same, but nothing that I put in front of the amp or in the loop does the trick for me. It's either not effective enough, or messes with the tone, or adds too much noise. I'm not new to this, I've been playing for 20+ years, I've tried most of the tricks in the book and I've come out defeated so far.

Today I came across the Bad Cat unleash, which does exactly what I need: you put it between amp and cab and you can raise (or lower) volume via footswitch. Problem is the Unleash, expecially the V2, has a lot of extra features and it's priced accordingly.

My problem is much simpler and I'd like a simpler - and cheaper - solution if possible. I am not ruling out the Bad Cat (I could probably use the extra features here and there) but if I can find something that does the one trick I need for a fraction of the price I'd be happier.

Thanks a lot.
 

8len8

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I've been using an Unleash for that purpose for at least 2 years now. There is only one cheaper solution (if you don't want to go the route of placing a volume boost pedal in the amp loop) - use a passive attenuator (like a Weber Mass) that has a footswitch enable. With the attenuator enables set your amp for the solo volume you want. Then with the attenuator enabled set the attenuator attenuation to the rhythm volume you want.

You could also check out the Ultimate Attenuator. It's a re-amper like the Unleash, has the option to have two channels, and might be cheaper.
 

GiorgioV

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Thanks a lot. The extra features of the Unleash are pretty nice and I think they justify the price.

I've thought about lowering the volume by placing something in the loop like an EQ or the Weber attenuator and disengage it for a bump up in volume but I'd rather have my tone untouched for 90% of the gig and boost it for a solo rather than drop it for rhythm work and release it for leads.
 

Kid Casseroli

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The old problem of having a volume boost for solos..

...nothing that I put in front of the amp or in the loop does the trick for me. It's either not effective enough, or messes with the tone, or adds too much noise. I'm not new to this, I've been playing for 20+ years, I've tried most of the tricks in the book and I've come out defeated so far.
That might be an indication that your amp lacks headroom. If a clean boost in front doesn't step up the volume without changing the tone or adding distortion, then I suggest you try the boost with other amps.
 

8len8

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That might be an indication that your amp lacks headroom. If a clean boost in front doesn't step up the volume without changing the tone or adding distortion, then I suggest you try the boost with other amps.
This is a common problem for people that run their amp gain high. There's no headroom left for a boost up front. The only options are to use something in the loop, or between the amp and speaker. I don't think the OP is up against any hardware issue, just figuring out the best "non up front" boost option.
 

hank57

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Im cheap and either keep the guitar volume just below max or I hit the bridge pup. I'm not fancy.
 

8len8

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Thanks a lot. The extra features of the Unleash are pretty nice and I think they justify the price.

I've thought about lowering the volume by placing something in the loop like an EQ or the Weber attenuator and disengage it for a bump up in volume but I'd rather have my tone untouched for 90% of the gig and boost it for a solo rather than drop it for rhythm work and release it for leads.
Then put either a clean boost pedal or an EQ wth boost capability (GE-7) in the loop, and engage it only for solos? There are also a couple options for remote triggering of boost pedals in the amp loop (I've looked into this a lot in the past):

- Remote looper:
http://www.championpedals.com/tgc1+.html
http://www.diamondamplification.com/loop-switch/

- OD with a remote trigger input:
http://www.suhr.com/electronics/pedals/overdrive/suhr-shiba-drive/
http://www.bogneramplification.com/ecstasy-blue-pedals
http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_odr-1
 

Tone_Terrific

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If you are out of power there is NO way you are going to be louder without more power.

Is your master vol maxed?
No? Turn it up to full and control volume with the preamp drive and gain.
Add a boost/cut into the loop if you must run high gain levels in the preamp...master on full.
 

elicious

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If you are out of power there is NO way you are going to be louder without more power.

Is your master vol maxed?
No? Turn it up to full and control volume with the preamp drive and gain.
Add a boost/cut into the loop if you must run high gain levels in the preamp...master on full.

QFE!

Also, the power section of the amp has to work much harder when the Bass control is up...so try lowering the Bass knob all the way and see whether that makes a difference in perceived volume.
 

Abram4235

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Why not do the reverse and set your amp for your lead tone, then add a comp/etc to cut the volume down to your rhythm volume? Then when it's time to solo turn the comp off.

If your amp maxed is not loud enough then you need a larger amp.
 
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DaveKS

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I'd be interested in hearing what exactly you've tried in loop that you say messes with your tone?

Seems hard to believe that at 2/3 vol the power section is completely out of headroom.

A EQD Tone Job at 18v has plenty of headroom and tone shaping boost in most loops.

Or dial up amp for lead vol and put a Underdrive or Detox EQ in loop to bring you down to rhythm level.

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Fat Dad

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Honestly, the Bad Cat Unleash sounds great, but I'm curious about what you've tried in your loop @GiorgioV. There are so many completely, absolutely transparent volume boosts to put in the FX loop that I find it hard to believe that wouldn't work for you. However, everyone hears things differently, so what might be fine for me, might be a dealbreaker for you. If you don't mind, what have you tried?
 

GiorgioV

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Im cheap and either keep the guitar volume just below max or I hit the bridge pup. I'm not fancy.

I do this too, there's tons of solutions that work well and if I was the only guitarist in the band I would not be looking further. The problem I have is that the mix of the band is thick and the other guitarist has a straight up boost in volume for his solos, rising it quite high above the mix.

I can stomp on whatever to get more presence or cut through more, but the effect is never as dramatic.

Then put either a clean boost pedal or an EQ wth boost capability (GE-7) in the loop, and engage it only for solos? There are also a couple options for remote triggering of boost pedals in the amp loop (I've looked into this a lot in the past):

- Remote looper:
http://www.championpedals.com/tgc1+.html
http://www.diamondamplification.com/loop-switch/

- OD with a remote trigger input:
http://www.suhr.com/electronics/pedals/overdrive/suhr-shiba-drive/
http://www.bogneramplification.com/ecstasy-blue-pedals
http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_odr-1

The way the fx loop works still gives me more gain if I put stuff in the loop. I've also talked to a tech some months back because I was considering modding the loop or trading it for a second master volume and he explained to me that I could not achieve a straight up volume boost through the loop due to the way it's wired (I'm unable to explain further sadly). I could use a pedal to take away some signal from the loop but it doesn't sound right to me. Also, remotely activating the loop is not a problem, I can control it via footswitch.

To be as clear as I can, I have used boosts in the loop of other amps. I got great results in the past with a mxr line driver, worked perfectly in lots of amps I had. Pure volume, nothing else. But the way the Reeves fx loop works, I can't get the same result. Not only it's a more complicated fx loop, with a send AND a return level, but it's not completely transparent. And no matter how I set it, I don't like the tone as much with the loop engaged and I can not get a straight up volume boost with a booster in the loop.
 

Shiny_Beast

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I assume that's a MV amp, you could probably get a tech to install a pot on the back that you can short out via foot switch for leads. Short of something like that, or getting an attenuator with a lead swotch, you will have to come up with another rhythm tone.
 




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